Bruno, I get everything until you bring in the UD and then I only understand pieces of what you are saying.
> if we want build a universal machine, which is not only able to emulate all machines, but which actually does the emulation of each machine, we will be obliged to dovetail on each execution What does it mean to dovetail on each execution? On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]>wrote: > For anyone who hasn't yet enjoyed the Cyberiad > > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > This is so true that if you push the reasoning you will understand that >> the primitive character of physics is an illusion, even if a particular >> important one that no machines can avoid (statistically). >> >> I want to grok this statement can you give me more? Why is physics an >> illusion >> >> > Are you OK that the probability to find yourself in Moscow is 1/2, when >> you are read and cut in Helsinki, and build again in Moscow and Washington? >> >> I'm down with that >> >> > It is an easy exercise to show that the iteration of such duplication >> leads to non compressible white noise for most of the 2^n persons obtained >> when the duplication experiment is repeated n times. >> >> Don't get this either, but I haven't finished the paper, so maybe that >> will illuminate things >> >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 16 May 2014, at 06:41, Dennis Ochei wrote: >>> >>> The more I think about the subjective expectation question the more >>> meaningless it becomes. I'm not asking if a future person is physically or >>> psychologically like me, I know the answer to that. In fact, even if I knew >>> every physical fact about a body and had a complete knowledge of the neural >>> correlates of consciousness I still wouldn't know if it was realizing my >>> consciousness or a consciousness that is merely precisely like mine. This >>> question of whether a past or future experience did or will belong to me >>> is distinctly extraphysical. >>> >>> >>> This is so true that if you push the reasoning you will understand that >>> the primitive character of physics is an illusion, even if a particular >>> important one that no machines can avoid (statistically). >>> >>> Are you OK that the probability to find yourself in Moscow is 1/2, when >>> you are read and cut in Helsinki, and build again in Moscow and Washington? >>> This is used implicitly in Everett Quantum mechanics, but with >>> computationalism, that you accept, this extends to the space of all >>> subjective experience realized in elementary arithmetic. >>> >>> It is an easy exercise to show that the iteration of such duplication >>> leads to non compressible white noise for most of the 2^n persons obtained >>> when the duplication experiment is repeated n times. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, May 15, 2014, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16 May 2014 15:32, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/15/2014 6:06 PM, LizR wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 16 May 2014 13:02, Russell Standish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:10:20PM +1200, LizR wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I don't think we replace our brain cells, but even if we do, isn't >>>>>> the fact >>>>>> > > that they are replaced and the replacements are functionally >>>>>> similar >>>>>> > > important to who we are? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > We do, apparently. >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/feb/23/brain-new-cells-adult-neurogenesis >>>>>> > >>>>>> > (I know I could do with some new ones ... or do I mean "neurones" ?) >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that is more about brain repair, than material replacement in >>>>>> cells, and only involves a few percent of neurons. >>>>>> >>>>>> It turns out the carbon atoms in the DNA of neural cells is remarkable >>>>>> long lived, as chronicled via the radiation spike due to atmospheric >>>>>> nuclear weapons testing in 50s & 60s. I don't have a cite on hand, >>>>>> but the result is that your neuronal DNA is on average about two years >>>>>> younger than your own age. For most other cell types, the average age >>>>>> is around 7 years, or something like that. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So physical continuity may be important, in which case it's possible >>>>> "yes doctor" is a bad bet. >>>>> >>>>> It's all relative. If the alternative is dying of liver cancer it >>>>> might still be a good bet. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If physical continuity is important, these aren't alternatives. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dennis Ochei >> Baylor College of Medicine '18 >> Duke University '13 >> Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ >> > > > > -- > Dennis Ochei > Baylor College of Medicine '18 > Duke University '13 > Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ > -- Dennis Ochei Baylor College of Medicine '18 Duke University '13 Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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