I'm gathering that dovetailing means alternating through the programs, essentially multithreading, so that the UD doesn't get stuck on an unhalting computation.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]>wrote: > Bruno, I get everything until you bring in the UD and then I only > understand pieces of what you are saying. > > > if we want build a universal machine, which is > not only able to emulate all machines, but which actually does the > emulation of each machine, > we will be obliged to dovetail on each execution > > What does it mean to dovetail on each execution? > > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]>wrote: > >> For anyone who hasn't yet enjoyed the Cyberiad >> >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Dennis Ochei <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> > This is so true that if you push the reasoning you will understand >>> that the primitive character of physics is an illusion, even if a >>> particular important one that no machines can avoid (statistically). >>> >>> I want to grok this statement can you give me more? Why is physics an >>> illusion >>> >>> > Are you OK that the probability to find yourself in Moscow is 1/2, >>> when you are read and cut in Helsinki, and build again in Moscow and >>> Washington? >>> >>> I'm down with that >>> >>> > It is an easy exercise to show that the iteration of such duplication >>> leads to non compressible white noise for most of the 2^n persons obtained >>> when the duplication experiment is repeated n times. >>> >>> Don't get this either, but I haven't finished the paper, so maybe that >>> will illuminate things >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2014, at 06:41, Dennis Ochei wrote: >>>> >>>> The more I think about the subjective expectation question the more >>>> meaningless it becomes. I'm not asking if a future person is physically or >>>> psychologically like me, I know the answer to that. In fact, even if I knew >>>> every physical fact about a body and had a complete knowledge of the neural >>>> correlates of consciousness I still wouldn't know if it was realizing my >>>> consciousness or a consciousness that is merely precisely like mine. This >>>> question of whether a past or future experience did or will belong to me >>>> is distinctly extraphysical. >>>> >>>> >>>> This is so true that if you push the reasoning you will understand that >>>> the primitive character of physics is an illusion, even if a particular >>>> important one that no machines can avoid (statistically). >>>> >>>> Are you OK that the probability to find yourself in Moscow is 1/2, when >>>> you are read and cut in Helsinki, and build again in Moscow and Washington? >>>> This is used implicitly in Everett Quantum mechanics, but with >>>> computationalism, that you accept, this extends to the space of all >>>> subjective experience realized in elementary arithmetic. >>>> >>>> It is an easy exercise to show that the iteration of such duplication >>>> leads to non compressible white noise for most of the 2^n persons obtained >>>> when the duplication experiment is repeated n times. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, May 15, 2014, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 16 May 2014 15:32, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5/15/2014 6:06 PM, LizR wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 May 2014 13:02, Russell Standish <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:10:20PM +1200, LizR wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I don't think we replace our brain cells, but even if we do, isn't >>>>>>> the fact >>>>>>> > > that they are replaced and the replacements are functionally >>>>>>> similar >>>>>>> > > important to who we are? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > We do, apparently. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/feb/23/brain-new-cells-adult-neurogenesis >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > (I know I could do with some new ones ... or do I mean "neurones" >>>>>>> ?) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that is more about brain repair, than material replacement >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> cells, and only involves a few percent of neurons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It turns out the carbon atoms in the DNA of neural cells is >>>>>>> remarkable >>>>>>> long lived, as chronicled via the radiation spike due to atmospheric >>>>>>> nuclear weapons testing in 50s & 60s. I don't have a cite on hand, >>>>>>> but the result is that your neuronal DNA is on average about two >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> younger than your own age. For most other cell types, the average age >>>>>>> is around 7 years, or something like that. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So physical continuity may be important, in which case it's >>>>>> possible "yes doctor" is a bad bet. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's all relative. If the alternative is dying of liver cancer it >>>>>> might still be a good bet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If physical continuity is important, these aren't alternatives. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/S5Qi3Q_2TTI/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dennis Ochei >>> Baylor College of Medicine '18 >>> Duke University '13 >>> Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dennis Ochei >> Baylor College of Medicine '18 >> Duke University '13 >> Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ >> > > > > -- > Dennis Ochei > Baylor College of Medicine '18 > Duke University '13 > Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ > -- Dennis Ochei Baylor College of Medicine '18 Duke University '13 Neuroscience/Computer Science, Music 3♭ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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