Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several people for drawing Mohammed. When I was living in Paris, the building of a small publication was bombed for publishing a drawing of Mohammed.
Women in Islamic societies are frequently punished for being raped, their husbands are allowed to beat them (against their will, I have nothing against consensual BDSM), they are sentenced to stoning to death for adultery (even when they were raped), they have to dress in a certain way and can be publicly lashed for not doing so and they are prevented from going to school. Even recently, young girls were attacked for attending school. Homosexuality is considered a crime. Limb amputation is considered an acceptable punishment. So, my question to you is this: do you condemn these actions? If so, do you claim that they stem from a misunderstanding of the Quran? Telmo. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>wrote: > You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on > beautiful moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among > people. The Quran repeatedly enjoins good actions, read it and you'll be > amazed how far from truth all the negative propaganda against it is! > Whether people study and follow the scripture or not is up to them. If we > start following the guidance, most of the social evils will be weeded out. > Sadly, you confuse peoples' thoughts, behaviour and actions with the > message itself. It really doesn't matter if we label ourselves as Muslims, > Jews, or any other religion or not, or if we are a member of the clergy or > hold any leadership position in the community, it is basically our beliefs, > intentions and actions that make us who we are and which we carry with us > when we depart from this life. > > Samiya > > On 28-May-2014, at 8:52 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > For me, its the actual physical, ethics, that need to be tuned up. Getting > to paradise, however delightful, over someone's dead body is unethical. > Morality, is between humans and God technically, but ethics is between > people. God, as he exists, can take care of himself, but the all the > humbleness in the world, devotion, passion, cannot correct issues, if the > Imams, and Muftis, instruct otherwise. Even if the Koran, Soonah, and > Bukhari are all God given and have predictions that only God would know, it > does no good if the earth gets drowned in blood by seekers of paradise. > Unhelpful indeed. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LizR <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 12:32 am > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > Here's page 1307 - I would prefer it if you quoted whatever it is you're > referring to rather than giving a link to a (rather difficult to access) > online book, because it doesn't mean much to me... > <page1307.png> > > As for the second link, I don't understand what it says there either - it > certainly isn't a very succinct "summary". > > > On 28 May 2014 16:19, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There is a debate between the interpretation of the word s-j-d. I assume >> it also means to become lowly, humble, submissive, and not only physical >> prostration. [http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ Book 1 Page 1307 >> ] >> Summary of why is can't only mean physical prostration: >> http://www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/Summary-problems-sujud-prostration-Quran.html >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:10 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Does it also explain how planets prostrate themselves? >>> >>> >>> On 28 May 2014 15:51, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I won't be surprised if they eventually discover that there are a total >>>> of 11 or 12 planets in the solar system. >>>> [Al-Qur'an 12:4, Translator: Pickthall] When Joseph said unto his >>>> father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and >>>> the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me. >>>> [Al-Qur'an 12:100, Translator: Pickthall] And he placed his parents on >>>> the dais and they fell down before him prostrate, and he said: O my father! >>>> This is the interpretation of my dream of old. My Lord hath made it true, >>>> and He hath shown me kindness, since He took me out of the prison and hath >>>> brought you from the desert after Satan had made strife between me and my >>>> brethren. Lo! my Lord is tender unto whom He will. He is the Knower, the >>>> Wise. >>>> >>>> Samiya >>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:35 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pluto Bids To Get Back Planetary Status Pluto has at least five >>>>>> moons, an atmosphere and now a new analysis places its diameter as bigger >>>>>> than its outer solar system rival Eris. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/pluto-bids-for-planethood/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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