On 29 May 2014 13:56, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> >>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_tw20140528news-lori&utm_campaign=Content&sf3097303=1 >>> >> >> "The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but Can they >> suffer?" >> Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832) >> > > Ah, so consciousness *is* both more difficult and more important than > intelligence! > > I don't think it's more difficult - I think some very unintelligent > animals can suffer. Of course there are different kinds of suffering. I > doubt that suffering pain requires human-like consciousness, but suffering > existential angst probably does. >
No one mentioned huiman like consciousness (well, no one except you). Consciousness is required for suffering, and we have very little idea which animals are conscious. Whereas we can tell how intelligent animals are by looking at their behaviour - their ability to learn and to deal with novel situations etc. Hence consciousness is more difficult to detect than intelligence. And if one believes your quote, it's also more important. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
