On 29 May 2014, at 03:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote:
On 29 May 2014 13:43, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/28/2014 6:28 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_tw20140528news-lori&utm_campaign=Content&sf3097303=1
"The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but Can
they suffer?"
Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832)
Ah, so consciousness is both more difficult and more important than
intelligence!
I don't think it's more difficult - I think some very unintelligent
animals can suffer. Of course there are different kinds of
suffering. I doubt that suffering pain requires human-like
consciousness,
OK.
but suffering existential angst probably does.
A funny (or depressive?) video, on a team of scientist explaining to a
gorilla that he will die:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k
I think it is a sort of april fool, though.
Animals know angst, but probably not the angst of angst. You might
need languages for that. I am not sure though.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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