> On 29-May-2014, at 9:59 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I hate to use the argument from incredulity, but it really IS hard to imagine 
> that someone who's so petty they don't like gays could have made this... 

Yes, with our limited knowledge, we cannot understand why sexual orientations 
and other desire-related personal matters could be of any significance, but if 
we can be reasonably sure that the majestic being who has created all this is 
guiding us to abstain / restrain, then it must be for our own good. Being as 
tiny as we are, I don't think our actions affect the Creator-Sustainer in any 
way... any harm we cause is only to ourselves. 

Samiya 

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>> On 29 May 2014 16:54, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 5/28/2014 9:31 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
>>> Quran (33:35) clearly states that there is forgiveness and vast reward for 
>>> all men and women who submit, believe, obey, speak the truth, persevere, 
>>> who are humble, who give alms, who fast, who guard their modesty and who 
>>> remember Allah much.
>> 
>> Clearly stating something has no bearing on it's truth.  The above is 
>> nonsense.  Why should forgiveness be needed? - and if it were it would have 
>> to come from someone who was harmed; not from an imaginary superbeing who 
>> can't possibly be harmed.  And why should anyone submit...to whom?  Where is 
>> the virtue in giving up your own moral judgement and living by someone 
>> else's.  Of course when you take these questions seriously the answer is 
>> obvious: "Allah" is just extrapolation of every despotic Mesopotamian king.  
>> He's vain, jealous, cruel, ruthless, demanding and ignorant.
>> 
>> Brent
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