> On 28-May-2014, at 10:21 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am not assuming that it is unethical, but I have pieced together that the > glorious, afterlife that has been promised, especially for males, is a sure > incentive to behave aggressively toward Kufar (infidels). If behaving as such > pleases the creator, and guarantees a shaheed (martyr) a bevy of interesting > females to spend one's time with, permanent youth and health, the drinking of > wine permitted, all this, and more, for the privaledge of pleasing God, dying > in the fight, and having all this paradise. I congratulate the faithful for > partaking of this heavenly, vision, for it sounds quite excellent! (Sorry, > Liz).
Quran (33:35) clearly states that there is forgiveness and vast reward for all men and women who submit, believe, obey, speak the truth, persevere, who are humble, who give alms, who fast, who guard their modesty and who remember Allah much. Many other verses also highlight the significance of struggle (jihad) which means overcoming our personal weaknesses and making kind, good and positive contributions to society and religion. Fighting wars ( qital ) is mentioned in the verses dealing with war. In that context, it is important to understand divine tradition. Every time he has sent a messenger ( rasul ), divine judgement follows it. Noah, Lot, ..., Moses, and finally Muhammad are examples of such human messengers. The people to whom Muhammad was preaching were being repeatedly warned of punishment and that God and His messenger will prevail. In the case of the previous messengers, punishment was in the form of floods, earthquakes, storms and other such natural disasters. In Muhammad's case, it was through the hands of the believers. You can read more on this in my blog post: Verses regarding War (The Holy Quran, Ch 9) dated Nov 17, 2009 www.islam-qna.blogspot.com > > > However, it's wrong-headed, just as the Crusades were, in a 'holy' attempt to > regain 'holy ground' slaughter the the non-Christians, and gain great wealth, > with the incentive of the son's of the rich could find their fortune and fame > in pursuit of wealth and Jesus's favor. That was unethical as well, and very, > murderous, as well. People screw up, because that is the nature of the > emotional beasts we all are. Thus, misbehavior done in the attempt top gain > heaven and get one's self rich, is unethical. > > What I am curious about is pushing the envelop for the human condition of > illness, aging, and death. One area that has gained my attention, the NDE/Sam > Paria studies, which indicate the possibility of a post Morten survival. > Interestingly enough. such research has a absolute lack of 'returnee's' > saying that what they experienced (supposedly) was a demand for war and > death. Nobody, comes back, and this is worldwide, saying they were told to > slay Muslims, "cross-worshippers, Hindu's, Al Yahoodi, or even Atheists. > This, I find interesting. The second possibility I think is worth > examination, is the notion that fantastic computer processing, if we can call > it that, could resurrect the dead, or exact copies of the dead, to the point, > that from memories, brain states, physicality, personal identity, they are, > indeed, the same person who was deceased. Is this madness, a lie? Possibly, > but these two areas are a means to an end, it is, in essence, the How > questions, of How such is accomplished, not necessarily, the why? > > Such a development, would for sure, alter the behavior of both Umah and > Kufar, because the world, in the human mind, and the physical universe would > be changed, and likely, for the better. We shall see if this is just a bit of > silliness that will be forgotten, or not? > According to the Quran, immortality has not been given to any before thee (21:34) and goes on to state that every soul must taste death; we are being tried with evil and good, and then we must return (21:35). Quran (2:96) states the possibility of a lifespan of a thousand years. However, from another verse, we also know that Noah preached for 950 years, so such a life span has happened in the past and may be possible in the future. The clue to the How may be found in the studies in hibernation. I've recently published a blog post about the People of the Cave, who slept for three hundred years. You might find it interesting: www.signsandscience.blogspot.com Samiya > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Samiya Illias <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 12:43 pm > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on beautiful > moral principles and enjoin ethical and just relations among people. The > Quran repeatedly enjoins good actions, read it and you'll be amazed how far > from truth all the negative propaganda against it is! > Whether people study and follow the scripture or not is up to them. If we > start following the guidance, most of the social evils will be weeded out. > Sadly, you confuse peoples' thoughts, behaviour and actions with the > message itself. It really doesn't matter if we label ourselves as Muslims, > Jews, or any other religion or not, or if we are a member of the clergy or > hold any leadership position in the community, it is basically our beliefs, > intentions and actions that make us who we are and which we carry with us > when we depart from this life. > > Samiya > > On 28-May-2014, at 8:52 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For me, its the actual physical, ethics, that need to be tuned up. Getting >> to paradise, however delightful, over someone's dead body is unethical. >> Morality, is between humans and God technically, but ethics is between >> people. God, as he exists, can take care of himself, but the all the >> humbleness in the world, devotion, passion, cannot correct issues, if the >> Imams, and Muftis, instruct otherwise. Even if the Koran, Soonah, and >> Bukhari are all God given and have predictions that only God would know, it >> does no good if the earth gets drowned in blood by seekers of paradise. >> Unhelpful indeed. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LizR <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 12:32 am >> Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! >> >> Here's page 1307 - I would prefer it if you quoted whatever it is you're >> referring to rather than giving a link to a (rather difficult to access) >> online book, because it doesn't mean much to me... >> <page1307.png> >> >> As for the second link, I don't understand what it says there either - it >> certainly isn't a very succinct "summary". >> >> >>> On 28 May 2014 16:19, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>> There is a debate between the interpretation of the word s-j-d. I assume it >>> also means to become lowly, humble, submissive, and not only physical >>> prostration. [http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ Book 1 Page 1307 ] >>> Summary of why is can't only mean physical prostration: >>> http://www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/Summary-problems-sujud-prostration-Quran.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:10 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Does it also explain how planets prostrate themselves? >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 28 May 2014 15:51, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I won't be surprised if they eventually discover that there are a total >>>>> of 11 or 12 planets in the solar system. >>>>> [Al-Qur'an 12:4, Translator: Pickthall] When Joseph said unto his father: >>>>> O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the >>>>> moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me. >>>>> [Al-Qur'an 12:100, Translator: Pickthall] And he placed his parents on >>>>> the dais and they fell down before him prostrate, and he said: O my >>>>> father! This is the interpretation of my dream of old. My Lord hath made >>>>> it true, and He hath shown me kindness, since He took me out of the >>>>> prison and hath brought you from the desert after Satan had made strife >>>>> between me and my brethren. Lo! my Lord is tender unto whom He will. He >>>>> is the Knower, the Wise. >>>>> >>>>> Samiya >>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:35 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Pluto Bids To Get Back Planetary Status >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pluto has at least five moons, an atmosphere and now a new analysis >>>>>>> places its diameter as bigger than its outer solar system rival Eris. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/pluto-bids-for-planethood/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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