On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> The dream thing is intriguing because I am sometimes fascinated by things > my visual cortex kicks out, often, before sleep comes. Ultra intricate and > non-retrievable patterns, images, songs that arise out of no where. Perhaps > neurobiology has a good explanation for all this, but its hard to see it as > a result of a beneficial characteristic of evolutionary advantage. I am also fascinated by this. I don't think it is necessary for an evolutionary advantage to exist. It is enough that it is neutral. It could be a byproduct of other brain mechanisms, and removing it could require a climb in complexity for which there is no evolutionary pressure. Telmo. > > Mitch > > I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams. The > main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term, where dreams > is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that we are machines). > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 10:04 am > Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch > > > On 11 Jun 2014, at 14:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > Even a more complex answer then the question Dr. Marchal. Neo-Platonism > might be the thing, and I know over the years, as a pantheist of the > Spinoza variety, Canadian philosopher, John Leslie, has focused on an > unlimited number of minds producing an infinite number of universe. The > numbers that make everything up must be embedded in Planck Cells, I > suppose. Next task? Hack the universe at the root directory. > > > That is not the next task, that is what has been already done (By Gödel, > Turing, ...). > Numbers that makes everything needs few K bits. And t makes no sense to > embedded them in Planck cells, because those are physical objects, and thus > exists only in the number's dream, which needs nothing physical to exist. > The number 23 is an odd prime is a truth which does not depend on the > existence of the physical universe. > > Computations is an arithmetical notion. They exists like prime numbers. > Although the notion is slightly more relational and non intrinsic, but > still quite real once you have the numbers and their operations + and *. > > I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams. The > main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term, where dreams > is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that we are machines). > > May be you take the "physical universe" for something granted. I prefer > not. It is what I want to explain, and I think we do have the explanation, > at least a solid one which has been tested, and which gives an explanation > of why there is consciousness and appearance of universes therein. > > Bruno > > > > > The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It takes > times, as the differentiation is driven by local interactions, and this is > slower or equal than light speed. > > That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are no > "physical universe" per se (if we are machine). > > Bruno > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 3:38 am > Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch > > > On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:12, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > I don't think so, but thanks. The question was the idea that zombies exist > in parallel universes are just zombies till our connectome arrives, to > update the zombie, which the actualizes into ourselves in the universe in > which we survived? The second question is does the entire universe, out to > 14 billion light years gets duplicated, or does the worldline when we make > a decision, or is it limited in expanse to only 1 lightyear from the Sun?? > > > The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It takes > times, as the differentiation is driven by local interactions, and this is > slower or equal than light speed. > > That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are no > "physical universe" per se (if we are machine). > > Bruno > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell Standish <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Jun 9, 2014 7:25 pm > Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch > > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 08:33:54AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > I'm getting a blank email from you. 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