On 11 Jun 2014, at 18:16, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
The dream thing is intriguing because I am sometimes fascinated by
things my visual cortex kicks out, often, before sleep comes.
Hypnagogic images. It is frequent. It is not a REM state, but a state
which prefigures the deepening in the slow sleep state.
Ultra intricate and non-retrievable patterns, images, songs that
arise out of no where.
Including complex episode and Maury effect (long past memory). I am
not an expert, but you will find a lottle by searching on Hypnagogic.
Perhaps neurobiology has a good explanation for all this, but its
hard to see it as a result of a beneficial characteristic of
evolutionary advantage.
There is a lot of works, that's for sure. There is no clear
explanation why we sleep. To sleep perhaps to die: the subject is
*very* vast!
Bruno
Mitch
I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams.
The main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term,
where dreams is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that
we are machines).
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On 11 Jun 2014, at 14:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Even a more complex answer then the question Dr. Marchal. Neo-
Platonism might be the thing, and I know over the years, as a
pantheist of the Spinoza variety, Canadian philosopher, John
Leslie, has focused on an unlimited number of minds producing an
infinite number of universe. The numbers that make everything up
must be embedded in Planck Cells, I suppose. Next task? Hack the
universe at the root directory.
That is not the next task, that is what has been already done (By
Gödel, Turing, ...).
Numbers that makes everything needs few K bits. And t makes no sense
to embedded them in Planck cells, because those are physical
objects, and thus exists only in the number's dream, which needs
nothing physical to exist. The number 23 is an odd prime is a truth
which does not depend on the existence of the physical universe.
Computations is an arithmetical notion. They exists like prime
numbers. Although the notion is slightly more relational and non
intrinsic, but still quite real once you have the numbers and their
operations + and *.
I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams.
The main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term,
where dreams is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that
we are machines).
May be you take the "physical universe" for something granted. I
prefer not. It is what I want to explain, and I think we do have the
explanation, at least a solid one which has been tested, and which
gives an explanation of why there is consciousness and appearance of
universes therein.
Bruno
The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It
takes times, as the differentiation is driven by local
interactions, and this is slower or equal than light speed.
That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are
no "physical universe" per se (if we are machine).
Bruno
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On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:12, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I don't think so, but thanks. The question was the idea that
zombies exist in parallel universes are just zombies till our
connectome arrives, to update the zombie, which the actualizes
into ourselves in the universe in which we survived? The second
question is does the entire universe, out to 14 billion light
years gets duplicated, or does the worldline when we make a
decision, or is it limited in expanse to only 1 lightyear from the
Sun??
The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It
takes times, as the differentiation is driven by local
interactions, and this is slower or equal than light speed.
That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are
no "physical universe" per se (if we are machine).
Bruno
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