As a sensory item, Telmo, the qualia of it, seems independent of my awareness. Call it unconsciousness if you chose. But it seems I am the watcher, and the 'show' plays on all on itself, unbidden. I am sure its just a neurological function, but since Professor Marchal invoked dreams as part of a mathematical-foundational reality.
I am also fascinated by this. I don't think it is necessary for an evolutionary advantage to exist. It is enough that it is neutral. It could be a byproduct of other brain mechanisms, and removing it could require a climb in complexity for which there is no evolutionary pressure. Telmo. -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: The dream thing is intriguing because I am sometimes fascinated by things my visual cortex kicks out, often, before sleep comes. Ultra intricate and non-retrievable patterns, images, songs that arise out of no where. Perhaps neurobiology has a good explanation for all this, but its hard to see it as a result of a beneficial characteristic of evolutionary advantage. I am also fascinated by this. I don't think it is necessary for an evolutionary advantage to exist. It is enough that it is neutral. It could be a byproduct of other brain mechanisms, and removing it could require a climb in complexity for which there is no evolutionary pressure. Telmo. Mitch I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams. The main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term, where dreams is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that we are machines). -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 10:04 am Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch On 11 Jun 2014, at 14:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Even a more complex answer then the question Dr. Marchal. Neo-Platonism might be the thing, and I know over the years, as a pantheist of the Spinoza variety, Canadian philosopher, John Leslie, has focused on an unlimited number of minds producing an infinite number of universe. The numbers that make everything up must be embedded in Planck Cells, I suppose. Next task? Hack the universe at the root directory. That is not the next task, that is what has been already done (By Gödel, Turing, ...). Numbers that makes everything needs few K bits. And t makes no sense to embedded them in Planck cells, because those are physical objects, and thus exists only in the number's dream, which needs nothing physical to exist. The number 23 is an odd prime is a truth which does not depend on the existence of the physical universe. Computations is an arithmetical notion. They exists like prime numbers. Although the notion is slightly more relational and non intrinsic, but still quite real once you have the numbers and their operations + and *. I think John Leslie defended a multiverse, not yet a multi-dreams. The main difference is that "universe" is a vague undefined term, where dreams is a precise mathematical notion (once we assume that we are machines). May be you take the "physical universe" for something granted. I prefer not. It is what I want to explain, and I think we do have the explanation, at least a solid one which has been tested, and which gives an explanation of why there is consciousness and appearance of universes therein. Bruno The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It takes times, as the differentiation is driven by local interactions, and this is slower or equal than light speed. That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are no "physical universe" per se (if we are machine). Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 3:38 am Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:12, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: I don't think so, but thanks. The question was the idea that zombies exist in parallel universes are just zombies till our connectome arrives, to update the zombie, which the actualizes into ourselves in the universe in which we survived? The second question is does the entire universe, out to 14 billion light years gets duplicated, or does the worldline when we make a decision, or is it limited in expanse to only 1 lightyear from the Sun?? The entire universe (if that exists) duplicates/differentiates. It takes times, as the differentiation is driven by local interactions, and this is slower or equal than light speed. That's physical, and is part of the number illusion, as there are no "physical universe" per se (if we are machine). Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Russell Standish <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 9, 2014 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Selecting your future branch On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 08:33:54AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm getting a blank email from you. 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