Oh… I realize who I am arguing with – a couch potato general who has never tasted war, wishing war (for others to wage in distant lands). One question Rambo, you had your chance, why didn’t you go yourself?
Chrissy, your tautings tend to resemble the last resort of the progressive. to which I shrug in response. I visited the WTC ruins in Nov 2001, and my nephew and his wife worked and lived in Manhattan back then, and saw the attacks close up, that day,and -so did lots of people, Being self righteous, is also typical of the proggie, in that the world must live by your standards. Not wise, but then its all emotion, idn't it? The Taliban had nothing operationally to do with 911 – Bullshit, because the head of the Taleban had one of his daughters married to Bin Laden, and had invited Binny in, funded him. I wonder what the firemen you say you hugged would feel had they read your analysis of the world? My guess is they wouldn't feel good. Yeah like that won the war LOL – I witnessed the end of that war in person and it was not an American victory. So what did dropping more tons of explosive on Indochina than in all theaters of WWII put together accomplish? What objective was achieved? I was living there during the last year of that “peace”. I saw that “peace” with my own eyes. You really don’t have a clue do you… peace, what peace? Getting the US to grovel before the world hasn't have seemed to make things any better, now has it? However, its what BHO and the progressive mind want, so it's how it shall be. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jun 28, 2014 1:33 pm Subject: RE: American Intelligence From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Addressing questions. Its a debacle more over the last 5 years then before, but yes, it sucked. On the other hand, I am more bloody-minded then Bushie was (I suspect this is because of his friendship with the Saudi royals) and I would have done Afghanistan and the Pakistan circa Oct 200, for the Bin Laden thing, and would have wiped out anyone protecting him-so please realize who your are arguing with. Oh… I realize who I am arguing with – a couch potato general who has never tasted war, wishing war (for others to wage in distant lands). One question Rambo, you had your chance, why didn’t you go yourself? The clash of civilizations was ever true and is more true today. I take it, Chris, that you are not a dweller in the UK or Spain with the subway bombings? I suspect that lack of cause and effect influences your opinion aside from pure ideology? A guess, no more. I have lived in both the UK and in Spain and visited several other times. I was also living in the NYC metro area on 911 and saw the aftermath with my own eyes in person.. I hugged the firemen who were in tears balling like babies – the ones who had lost 80% of their colleagues on that day… I walked through the streets with the flowers and candles burning and experienced the human trauma of that terror act of outsized scale. The day of 911 I was working to set up a fallback crisis response center for the Associated Press (for whom I was developing software at the time), in case headquarters in Rockefeller center also got hit (in those first hours no one really knew the scope of this act) Where were you? I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2. Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth willing to the max. Neither Bushie nor, Obama hold this position as something they want. Otherwise, try bribes, incentives and all that diplomacy provides-just don't expect it to work. It really has not. Good thing for us all that you are just a couch potato general then. Since 9-11 was launched with Taliban support, how were we not going to trouble them? Be peaceful so we can make progressives feel better? The Taliban had nothing operationally to do with 911 – they may have been medieval minded intolerant fundamentalist fascists who were harboring Al Qaida (who had fought side by side with them to drive the Russians from Afghanistan, and who for decades had been funded, armed and trained by the way by the US CIA and military based on the same realpolitik rational). But they were not involved with 911? And the afghan, farmers, goat and sheep herders (90% of the country) how exactly where they involved generalissimo? The failure of Bush was failure to fight to win, a novel thing in this day and age. What could we have done outside of boots on the ground. Answer-carpet bombing as we did in Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam. It actually brought peace, a truce for 2+ years, before the North took over. Yeah like that won the war LOL – I witnessed the end of that war in person and it was not an American victory. So what did dropping more tons of explosive on Indochina than in all theaters of WWII put together accomplish? What objective was achieved? I was living there during the last year of that “peace”. I saw that “peace” with my own eyes. You really don’t have a clue do you… peace, what peace? Every single night – during the curfew from dusk to dawn – Saigon would go quiet and the skies around it would be lit up by the light of the green flares parachuting down and the flashes from just over the horizon followed a short time later by the thuds of the booms of the bombs – being dropped in the ill-defined moving war zone that encircled the fortress city. I saw the long convoys of military trucks with two caskets per truck bringing the corpses back to be given to their grieving families. I really despise couch potato generals who have never seen war, never felt the suffering and deep terror of war.. bragging (empty bragging) about how they would bomb this and bomb that. Why didn’t you go personally and volunteer to be shipped off to Iraq, then Rambo? Are you perchance a chickenhawk… a hawk for other people, but a chicken when it comes to your own flesh and blood? What about the Islamist lands in question? When they re-take the un-held lands once more after the bombing stops and start rebuilding. Well, one more time! We'd defeat their goals and keep them off balance. How long? Permanently. There are other options of course, aside war, but none that seem to work. You seem fetishistic about war… go fight then, or admit that you are in fact a couch potato coward, wishing for others to go die so you can get that adrenalin rush of self-righteousness vicarious thrill (from the safety of your couch generalissimo). It seems to me that it is cowards who bark the loudest for war; warriors who have fought war tend to be more cautious and reluctant to jump on in another fight… and you do make lots of noise about making war (from the safety of your couch at least) – I suspect if the military accepted you (which I have my doubts they would) and shipped you off to some front line position somewhere that you would be messing your pants spudboy. The big ugly, is that the establishment world-wide, the Davos guys, tend to be pacifist in nature because it brings in the lucre from Saudi, Oman, Dubai, Yemen, cash on the barrel head. That's nice for them, but less so for the middle classes worldwide, that they don't care about, usually. You have it all figured out don’t you? Thanks for the humor…. Soldier. Chris Where does this leave us today, whatever our opinions? No where, because we're just a couple of dudes on a mailing list, and don't have the valuta for any influence. Did progressives lead America in the Iraq war debacle that has bankrupted this country (thre trillion dollars and counting) Or was that war begun by neocons in the Bush administration -- using the self same clash of civilizations rhetoric you employ all the time. The same goes for the American war in Afghanistan. Who was it begun by? Under what administration? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: American Intelligence >>Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are >>lighting around the world, What fires are "progressives" starting. Did progressives lead America in the Iraq war debacle that has bankrupted this country (thre trillion dollars and counting) Or was that war begun by neocons in the Bush administration -- using the self same clash of civilizations rhetoric you employ all the time. The same goes for the American war in Afghanistan. Who was it begun by? Under what administration? >> and, or enabling jihadists to do so, one can develop the Manichean attitude. How exactly are progressives enabling jihadists? You almost make us sound traitorous -- employing the typical rhetoric of war mongering folk. >> It's unwise to light fires during a dry spell and this is what progressives >> do, because its how they "feel." More BS -- the big recent wars (the ones that have resulted in by far most death and injury and that have drained the US treasury were all begun under the Bush administration. >>Or "feel" is right. I could fly into a rage, or pretend to, and shriek, "how >>dare you typify me as a tea bagger..yadda yadda yadda." I think it is pretty evident why I typify you as a Tea bagger -- your rhetoric comes straight out of their playbook.. Cheers, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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