Addressing questions. Its a debacle more over the last 5 years then before, but yes, it sucked. On the other hand, I am more bloody-minded then Bushie was (I suspect this is because of his friendship with the Saudi royals) and I would have done Afghanistan and the Pakistan circa Oct 200, for the Bin Laden thing, and would have wiped out anyone protecting him-so please realize who your are arguing with. The clash of civilizations was ever true and is more true today. I take it, Chris, that you are not a dweller in the UK or Spain with the subway bombings? I suspect that lack of cause and effect influences your opinion aside from pure ideology? A guess, no more.
I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2. Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth willing to the max. Neither Bushie nor, Obama hold this position as something they want. Otherwise, try bribes, incentives and all that diplomacy provides-just don't expect it to work. It really has not. Since 9-11 was launched with Taliban support, how were we not going to trouble them? Be peaceful so we can make progressives feel better? The failure of Bush was failure to fight to win, a novel thing in this day and age. What could we have done outside of boots on the ground. Answer-carpet bombing as we did in Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam. It actually brought peace, a truce for 2+ years, before the North took over. What about the Islamist lands in question? When they re-take the un-held lands once more after the bombing stops and start rebuilding. Well, one more time! We'd defeat their goals and keep them off balance. How long? Permanently. There are other options of course, aside war, but none that seem to work. The big ugly, is that the establishment world-wide, the Davos guys, tend to be pacifist in nature because it brings in the lucre from Saudi, Oman, Dubai, Yemen, cash on the barrel head. That's nice for them, but less so for the middle classes worldwide, that they don't care about, usually. Where does this leave us today, whatever our opinions? No where, because we're just a couple of dudes on a mailing list, and don't have the valuta for any influence. Did progressives lead America in the Iraq war debacle that has bankrupted this country (thre trillion dollars and counting) Or was that war begun by neocons in the Bush administration -- using the self same clash of civilizations rhetoric you employ all the time. The same goes for the American war in Afghanistan. Who was it begun by? Under what administration? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: Re: American Intelligence >>Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are >>lighting around the world, What fires are "progressives" starting. Did progressives lead America in the Iraq war debacle that has bankrupted this country (thre trillion dollars and counting) Or was that war begun by neocons in the Bush administration -- using the self same clash of civilizations rhetoric you employ all the time. The same goes for the American war in Afghanistan. Who was it begun by? Under what administration? >> and, or enabling jihadists to do so, one can develop the Manichean attitude. How exactly are progressives enabling jihadists? You almost make us sound traitorous -- employing the typical rhetoric of war mongering folk. >> It's unwise to light fires during a dry spell and this is what progressives >> do, because its how they "feel." More BS -- the big recent wars (the ones that have resulted in by far most death and injury and that have drained the US treasury were all begun under the Bush administration. >>Or "feel" is right. I could fly into a rage, or pretend to, and shriek, "how >>dare you typify me as a tea bagger..yadda yadda yadda." I think it is pretty evident why I typify you as a Tea bagger -- your rhetoric comes straight out of their playbook.. Cheers, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
