ISTM... In primitive materialism, what exists are space / time and matter / energy. Information is an emergent property of the arrangements of those things, like entropy. Neither of these exist at the level of fundamental particles, or Planck cells, or strings, or whatever else may be the primitive mass-energy/space-time) involved.
There are problems with this view if information has primitive status, which would indicate that the real picture is something like "it from bit" or what might be called "primitive informationism". Evidence for PI come from the entropy of black holes, the black hole information paradox, the Landauer limit, the Beckenstein bound, the holographic principle, and (unless I already covered that) the requirement that erasing a bit of information requires some irreducible amount of energy. (And maybe some other things I don't know about ... perish the thought). PI isn't equivalent to comp, but from what you said above PI might be a necessary consequence of comp, which would give the "ontological chain" arithmetic -> consciousness -> information -> matter (I think ... this is all "ISTM" of course). As for A Garrett Lisi, I was under the impression that his particles were something like a "point in a weight diagram" - or something - which sounds to me at least like some form of information theoretic entity. But I have to admit my understanding of how birds and flowers could emerge from the E8 group or whatever it's called is, well, about like this... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
