On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:02 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 7/4/2014 5:40 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > >> I am suspecting, based on intelligence made public,using the old Claude >> Shannon method based on what the "faithful" te each other,nin Arabic and >> Farsi, that they view the unraveling of the Bagdad,regime that Allah smiles >> upon their holy war. In their messages to each other they encourage one >> another to bring divine punishment upon the Americans. Can they seriously, >> do this? It may just be war talk, but their leader is experienced in such >> matters. If they possess active new "toys" that they can heap upon the >> enemies of Allah. I will say its a true threat, but how much lead time will >> they need to act, and upon which target is unknown. I wouldn't ignore this >> or be content by telling ourselves we are so big and bad, we can never be >> hurt. I love Amrerica, but I see us as a giant with a glass jaw. >> > > That's the kind of talk that gets us into wars we don't need to be in. "A > glass jaw"? OMIGOD those jihadists may sneak a punch that knocks the U.S. > out! We'd better defend ourselves mucking about in the middle east or > they'll be ISIS tanks on the streets of New York! This is exactly the same > kind of fear mongering that Bush did about weapons of mass delusion, and > LBJ did about the domino theory. The point is not that we can't be hurt. > Killing some people in a nation of 350 million isn't hard (we do it all > the time). But it doesn't do anything to destroy or even diminish the > nation, unless we succumb to fearful responses like war and a police state. > > Brent > Osama bin Laden and George W Bush are twin sides of the same war on Terra, > which is really a revolt against the Enlightenment and modernism. > --- Anne O'Reilly That main point is so simple, yet all the rhetoric on political stage constantly evades. And I don't see a solution with our current political paradigm. As was even fictionally stated in 1907 "The Secret Agent" by Joseph Conrad: monopoly of security and violent force by the state entails constant cash flow and legitimacy of budget for security. With advent of increasingly destructive weaponry and sophisticated technology; this tendency multiplies on all fronts. The Chickenhawks, and I speak with the authority of being a general for a week now...we need a string of larger and larger threats, and need increasingly larger monsters for larger budgets. Nobody tallies the threats that turned out bullshit in media for obvious reason. Unfortunately the conspiracy idea: for security/militarized interest, to effectively supply (directly or indirectly matters less than effectively doing so) the monster faction with weaponry is logical, and highly lucrative. With this setup, the only thing to expect is more senseless violence and more cash flowing. The more senseless the better, as it makes the monster more insane, unpredictable, and dangerous. The more it sparks hawk rhetoric the better for Monster and government. Not verbatim, but the reasoning in the book was "Not just political offices, but public, seemingly unpolitical places, unknown enemies and capabilities, so that everybody feels like a potential target and the appropriate rhetoric can spread to our advantage. Maximum terror at lowest cost." Military/security complex budget => more weapons flood market (they get cheaper/more easily acquired on black market) => terrorist act by monster or attack by monster state => rise in legitimacy for security rhetoric/lobbying => need for more budget fulfilled, we need new monster. How you supposed to break such vicious spiral, with so much cash and industrial dependencies hanging? PGC > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
