Too much time lost with people that make his imaginary victimization the justification for anything. I attract no girls? that´s because religion. Am I mean and not very intelligent? Tha´ts because capitalism. Do I have a ugly looking face? That is because the Church.
And too much diversity syrup makes me vomit 2014-07-25 0:21 GMT+02:00, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>: > Cultural determism is incompatible with natural selection. That was > plainly demonstrated by Symons in his book "The evolution of human > sexuality" ,but it is common sense among evolutionists of any kind. > > Suppose that human culture determines human behaviour. Then suppose a > mutant that use culture to manipulate others in order to increase his > own reproductive succes, so that for example manipulate others for > breeding his own kids. then this mutant very fast substitute the > culturally manipulable individuals. > > That´s all. it is simple . It´s nt? Cultural determinism is not a > evolutionarily stable strategy. Period. > > Thanks for your attention and bye. > > 2014-07-19 13:52 GMT+02:00, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> There are optimimums toward what we aim to. >>> That a mother kill his son because she don´t feel capable to breed him >>> does not man that this is as good as not killing him and having enoug >>> resources and support to carry along. Both things are natural and >>> adaptive. but the former is bad and the other is good. Anyone can >>> distinguish between both. >>> >> >> I can distinguish between feeling good and feeling bad. I prefer feeling >> good. Unfortunately for me, it is rarely clear which actions make me feel >> good in the long term. Exercise seems to work better than other, more >> metaphysical prescriptions. >> >> The world is full of advice on how to be good and feel good. I tried >> quite >> a few, and they rarely work. What usually works is self-discovery through >> deliberate personal inquiry. I suspect that if you are sufficiently wise, >> you refrain from giving advice -- live and let live. >> >> I was forced to go to catholic school for 6 years. They tried to teach me >> what was good and bad. I never felt so miserable. Here I agree with you: >> possibly we have some evolutionary mechanism that makes us feel overt >> dominance as pain. Some people are forced to endure that pain until they >> get used to it, I was lucky enough to be able to escape it. >> >> Abortion doesn't really affect me. I'll have to be honest: I don't care. >> I >> don't feel anything about it. Maybe I would if I was a parent, I don't >> know. My parents were strongly agains abortion, so I have to assume this >> is >> just my natural response. I am not a psychopath, I feel strong empathy >> for >> certain types of human suffering. For example, seeing homeless and/or >> mentally ill people affects me emotionally in a quite strong fashion. >> >> >>> >>> Societies are similar. Of course, they can go from good to bad. And of >>> course that as humans we have prefered states. Don´t you? >>> >> >> Yes, but my preferred states appear to be quite different from those of >> other people. Diversity seems to be intrinsic to the human condition. So >> I >> am very suspicious of broad claims. >> >> >>> >>> I don´t know what you don´t understand , neither what this question >>> has in common whith what I said above. >>> >> >> You say, for example, that cultural determinism has been refuted. But I >> don't think this accurate. I claim that such conclusion comes from a >> misunderstanding of what evolution is and what it produces. >> >> >>> >>> 2014-07-18 20:24 GMT+02:00, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >>> > Alberto, >>> > >>> > What I don't understand in your reasoning is how you can take >>> > evolution >>> as >>> > the ultimate theory on humans behavior and, at the same time, believe >>> that >>> > culture is becoming degenerate and that we should personally take >>> > stock >>> and >>> > do something about it. >>> > >>> > Surely these new tribes that you despise are also a product of >>> > evolution? >>> > >>> > You seem to anthropomorphize evolution, as if it had some goal or >>> preferred >>> > state. Evolution is a self-referential, self-adaptive process. It can >>> > generate mind-boggling complexity, yet you seem to believe that >>> > organisms >>> > susceptible to cultural determinism are not on the table. >>> > >>> > It is also orders of magnitude slower than our brains. >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > Telmo. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Alberto G. Corona >>> > <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Additionally, >>> >> >>> >> I don´t know how to remark that you systematically forget the notion >>> >> that the rejection of God as a coverup for the rejection of God´s >>> >> creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If >>> that >>> >> were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something >>> >> with >>> >> no effects watsoever in life. >>> >> >>> >> For the atheist, God's creation is nothing but the poisonous effects >>> >> in the minds of people, so that they do not show (epic fanfares start >>> >> to sound) "the complete unfolding of human potentialities" >>> >> >>> >> But that cultural determinism has been refuted time ago, despite the >>> >> fact that it remain in fashion and gives comfortable seats in >>> >> politics >>> >> and the university. Gender studies, gender politics etc etc etc. But >>> >> it has been refuted. It is just a matter of taking seriously natural >>> >> selection and applying it to the human being. Natural laws are not >>> >> compatible with cultural determinism. Period. >>> >> >>> >> You can take a look at the book: "The blank slate", from Steven >>> >> Pinker. There are very clear evolutionary reasons why human nature is >>> >> what it is, and there are very compelling reasing why human societies >>> >> have certain institutions and not others, in the same way that we can >>> >> not fly by moving the ears. Either facts are not something for which >>> >> the Church is responsible, no matter how shoking may be for some >>> >> people. The traditional religions only take note of what is natural >>> >> and put them in the books. >>> >> >>> >> For some agnostics, It is the opposite. God may be a product of >>> >> evolutionary forces that shaped the mind of the people and configure >>> >> the society. >>> >> >>> >> BUT, let´s admit it, for the shake of argument: BUT your mind >>> >> configure your world >>> >> and your reality, the only reality you can perceive. Then, under that >>> >> assumption, God must be real. The vision of a person as a person >>> instead >>> >> of as a blob of faceless matter is also a product of natural >>> >> selection. That does not mean that persons do not exist. they exist. >>> >> . >>> >> >>> >> For the deists, God is something not accessible, that do not >>> >> interfere >>> >> in your life. But Truth for a mind never have a neutral value. Not as >>> >> long as that mind gobern a body that has to find ways for >>> >> subsistence. >>> >> ideas don´t sustain themselves in the platonic realm. They exist >>> >> because they have a practical value since the mind is ultimately a >>> >> product of the accomodation to the restrictions of the environment. >>> >> Therefore the mind do not adopt ideas for nothing, specially the ones >>> >> as important as to take us days and days of discussion. >>> >> >>> >> What is observable in all locations and times is that people follow >>> >> leaders, not naked ideas. Religions and ideologies with the power to >>> >> change things are created around concrete people that have ideas but >>> >> not around naked ideas. This is because ideas do not coordinate >>> >> people. it is necessary a leader, that proposes a path in life >>> >> compatible with these ideas. Any truth with motivational and vital >>> >> significance ever involves a person that lead it. Any Truth that you >>> >> may follow are not naked >>> >> ideas, but involve people that have ideas and plans of action, paths >>> >> in life. And as social being we need plans to live with people >>> >> according with them. There is no alternative. >>> >> >>> >> That is why when Jesuschrist say: "I´m the Way, the Truth and the >>> >> Life" says something very deep in psychological, metaphisical and >>> >> religious terms at the same time. >>> >> >>> >> As eartly minds with bodies in charge of, you have to follow someone, >>> >> or you may try to be one that others may follow, or you may do >>> >> nothing >>> >> and stay in dilettant and sterile nothingness for life. The latter >>> >> seems the non-path of modernity. And you and your people for sure >>> >> will >>> >> vanish under people that DO have a path in life, that follows a >>> >> leader. >>> >> >>> >> Alternatively, you can follow a earthy leader. That is very >>> >> dangerous, >>> >> as you know if you read history books. Almost as dangerous and >>> >> destructive as not following anyone at all and vanish after doing >>> >> nothing in life. >>> >> >>> >> Christ is the best option. More on that sometime later >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2014-07-18 11:52 GMT+02:00, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>: >>> >> > Thereforeeee... my dear friends atheists, agnostics and deists.... >>> >> > >>> >> > The salvation vessel of monistic materialism, the theories of >>> >> > everything that predict infinite many universes with infinite >>> >> > physical >>> >> > laws, either arithmetical or mathemathical, are compatible with any >>> >> > metaphisical or theological position: metaphysical dualism, >>> >> > monotheism, politheism etc >>> >> > >>> >> > in a sense these theories not only give zero information in >>> >> > physical >>> >> > terms but also in metaphysical terms. So we can say that they are >>> >> > perfect non-theories. >>> >> > >>> >> > 2014-07-17 19:07 GMT+02:00, Alberto G. Corona >>> >> > <[email protected]>: >>> >> >> Why I have to claim that? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I claim that any monistic ("scientific") theory that predict >>> >> >> infinite >>> >> >> many universes predict also infinite many minds with infinite many >>> >> >> degrees of knowledge and mastering over their realities and the >>> >> >> realities that they may create, that, assuming monistic >>> >> >> materialism, >>> >> >> can contain also other subordinate minds. Because we do not know >>> >> >> our >>> >> >> position in the hierarchy etc etc etc etc >>> >> >> >>> >> >> 2014-07-17 18:16 GMT+02:00, spudboy100 via Everything List >>> >> >> <[email protected]>: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> You cannot now claim, baring evidence, that we can change >>> >> >>> reality, >>> >> >>> even >>> >> >>> here >>> >> >>> on planet Earth, in a cogent way. It's like somebody falling off >>> >> >>> Mt. >>> >> >>> Evidence, in which we can have an opinion about our dilemma, but >>> >> >>> reversing >>> >> >>> gravity or dreaming up a parachute to use during our fall is not >>> part >>> >> of >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> world we all must live in. Give 10,000 years of future >>> >> >>> technology, >>> >> >>> and >>> >> >>> human >>> >> >>> survival, maybe then. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Any theory of everithing that implies infinite many unverses in >>> >> >>> compatible with everithing. Gods, miracles, psicquism, >>> >> >>> telequinesia, >>> >> >>> telepaty etc starting from the. monistic materialism, some >>> >> >>> configurations of matter produce minds, thererfore under these >>> >> >>> theories are infinite many variations of minds, not potentially. >>> They >>> >> >>> are logical predictions of these theories. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> These minds under monistic materialism are considered as matter >>> >> >>> that >>> >> >>> can reshape matter in a complex way. Some of these minds can >>> >> >>> create >>> >> >>> second level realities in which they may act as gods, either >>> >> >>> making >>> >> >>> use of extraordinary knowledge of reality in relation with other >>> less >>> >> >>> advanced minds, for which they may appear as gods. or >>> >> >>> alternatively >>> >> >>> they can simulate virtual realities in which accoding with >>> >> >>> monistic >>> >> >>> materialism can simulate minds inside these second level >>> >> >>> simulated >>> >> >>> realities. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> These superior minds are free to change the realities that they >>> >> >>> have >>> >> >>> under partial control (in the first case) or under total control >>> >> >>> (in >>> >> >>> the second). So they can perform miracles and so on and so on. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> We don´t know what is our level as minds in the multiverse, >>> therefore >>> >> >>> everithing is theoretically possible even under this monistic >>> >> >>> hypothesis. Everithing goes. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >> >>> From: Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: Atheist >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>>> The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Which one? What do you mean by "absolutely everything"? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>>> they >>> >> >>>>> are no longer materialistic. Either they are no-theories or >>> >> >>>>> they >>> >> allow >>> >> >>>>> any interpretation anyone may like about the know and unknow >>> >> >>>>> reality. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I really don't know what theories you refer too. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Any theory of everithing that implies infinite many unverses in >>> >> >>> compatible with everithing. Gods, miracles, psicquism, >>> >> >>> telequinesia, >>> >> >>> telepaty etc starting from the. monistic materialism, some >>> >> >>> configurations of matter produce minds, thererfore under these >>> >> >>> theories are infinite many variations of minds, not potentially. >>> They >>> >> >>> are logical predictions of these theories. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> These minds under monistic materialism are considered as matter >>> >> >>> that >>> >> >>> can reshape matter in a complex way. Some of these minds can >>> >> >>> create >>> >> >>> second level realities in which they may act as gods, either >>> >> >>> making >>> >> >>> use of extraordinary knowledge of reality in relation with other >>> less >>> >> >>> advanced minds, for which they may appear as gods. or >>> >> >>> alternatively >>> >> >>> they can simulate virtual realities in which accoding with >>> >> >>> monistic >>> >> >>> materialism can simulate minds inside these second level >>> >> >>> simulated >>> >> >>> realities. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> These superior minds are free to change the realities that they >>> >> >>> have >>> >> >>> under partial control (in the first case) or under total control >>> >> >>> (in >>> >> >>> the second). So they can perform miracles and so on and so on. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> We don´t know what is our level as minds in the multiverse, >>> therefore >>> >> >>> everithing is theoretically possible even under this monistic >>> >> >>> hypothesis. Everithing goes. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>>> In certain sense materialism has given up without being >>> >> >>>>> conscious >>> >> >>>>> of >>> >> >>>>> it. That is because its foundation is metaphysical and >>> >> >>>>> metaphysics >>> >> has >>> >> >>>>> experimented a regression to the stone age, or at least to the >>> >> >>>>> level >>> >> >>>>> previous to the greek phylosophy. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> That has begun since theology has been banished from academy, >>> >> >>>> and >>> >> >>>> replaced by a social sort of authorianism. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> It is normal for those wanting power to take over on the >>> fundamental >>> >> >>>> theories. It is bad and sad, but natural and usual. That's why >>> >> >>>> we >>> >> >>>> must >>> >> >>>> be vigilant, and fight for a coming back to reason and >>> >> >>>> observation >>> >> >>>> in >>> >> >>>> *all* fields, not just on God and health. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Bruno >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> 2014-07-09 22:12 GMT+02:00, John Mikes <[email protected]>: >>> >> >>>>>> I apologize for taking a new title for this over-discussed >>> >> >>>>>> topic. >>> >> >>>>>> Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote: >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> "...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy >>> >> tales. >>> >> >>>>>> You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the >>> >> >>>>>> God >>> of >>> >> >>>>>> the >>> >> >>>>>> bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some >>> >> >>>>>> passage >>> >> >>>>>> you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't >>> >> >>>>>> make >>> >> >>>>>> that >>> >> >>>>>> public. " >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> I refer to the generality about 'atheists' in the passage. I >>> >> >>>>>> emphasize that I am no atheist in such a sense who IMO >>> >> >>>>>> requires >>> 'a >>> >> >>>>>> god >>> >> >>>>>> to deny' (my vocabulary includes the term as 'denying' instead >>> >> >>>>>> of >>> >> >>>>>> 'defending'). >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> I simply exclude those facets which are beyond our reach at >>> >> >>>>>> present. >>> >> >>>>>> In speaking about Everything I think of an infinite complexity >>> >> >>>>>> of >>> >> >>>>>> components we cannot even understand (today) - nor the >>> >> >>>>>> relations >>> >> >>>>>> between them ALL. We include SOME into our 'model of the >>> >> >>>>>> world' >>> as >>> >> of >>> >> >>>>>> yesterday without knowing if we are right. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> In such sense even a (sane-minded) adilt can be an 'atheist'. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> John M >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- >>> >> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >> >>>>>> Groups >>> >> >>>>>> "Everything List" group. >>> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>> >> >>>>>> it, >>> >> >>>>>> send an >>> >> >>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>> >> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything- >>> >> >>>>>> [email protected]. >>> >> >>>>>> Visit this group at >>> >> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> >> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >>>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> -- >>> >> >>>>> Alberto. >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> -- >>> >> >>>>> You received this 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