On 17 Jul 2014, at 18:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing.
Which one? What do you mean by "absolutely everything"?
they
are no longer materialistic. Either they are no-theories or they
allow
any interpretation anyone may like about the know and unknow
reality.
I really don't know what theories you refer too.
Any theory of everithing that implies infinite many unverses in
compatible with everithing. Gods, miracles, psicquism, telequinesia,
telepaty etc starting from the. monistic materialism, some
configurations of matter produce minds,
Not if mechanism is correct. It is less incorrect to say that mind
produce matter (if we want to be short).
thererfore under these
theories are infinite many variations of minds, not potentially. They
are logical predictions of these theories.
These minds under monistic materialism are considered as matter that
can reshape matter in a complex way.
In which non-comp theory?
Some of these minds can create
second level realities in which they may act as gods, either making
use of extraordinary knowledge of reality in relation with other less
advanced minds, for which they may appear as gods. or alternatively
they can simulate virtual realities in which accoding with monistic
materialism can simulate minds inside these second level simulated
realities.
Same question.
These superior minds are free to change the realities that they have
under partial control (in the first case) or under total control (in
the second). So they can perform miracles and so on and so on.
We don´t know what is our level as minds in the multiverse, therefore
everithing is theoretically possible even under this monistic
hypothesis. Everithing goes.
Square circle remains impossible. Your statement are too vague, as you
seem to assume some non-comp theory of mind, as it is need to provide
a matter-consciousness relation. With mechanism, matter is an
appearance in the glued dreams of the number, not an ontological entity.
Bruno
In certain sense materialism has given up without being conscious of
it. That is because its foundation is metaphysical and metaphysics
has
experimented a regression to the stone age, or at least to the level
previous to the greek phylosophy.
That has begun since theology has been banished from academy, and
replaced by a social sort of authorianism.
It is normal for those wanting power to take over on the fundamental
theories. It is bad and sad, but natural and usual. That's why we
must
be vigilant, and fight for a coming back to reason and observation in
*all* fields, not just on God and health.
Bruno
2014-07-09 22:12 GMT+02:00, John Mikes <[email protected]>:
I apologize for taking a new title for this over-discussed topic.
Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote:
"...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy
tales.
You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of
the
bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some
passage
you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make
that
public. "
I refer to the generality about 'atheists' in the passage. I
emphasize that I am no atheist in such a sense who IMO requires 'a
god
to deny' (my vocabulary includes the term as 'denying' instead of
'defending').
I simply exclude those facets which are beyond our reach at
present.
In speaking about Everything I think of an infinite complexity of
components we cannot even understand (today) - nor the relations
between them ALL. We include SOME into our 'model of the world'
as of
yesterday without knowing if we are right.
In such sense even a (sane-minded) adilt can be an 'atheist'.
John M
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