On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> Exactly what John Clark seems to miss, the first person after-experiences. > Oh yes, that's because John Clark is a Zombie. > In both diaries, those who predicted 'no break of symmetry', > Who in hell predicted no break of symmetry? One will see Moscow and one will not, nobody thinks that is symmetrical. If things were symmetrical there would only be one person regardless of how many bodies there were; there needs to be a break in symmetry for the concepts of "you" and "me" to be meaningful. You and I are two different people because things are unsymmetrical, we both have memories that the other does not; In the thought experiment things are a little more complicated because the Helsinki Man has no memories that the Moscow Man (or Washington Man) does not, but the Moscow Man DOES have memories the Helsinki Man does not, such as the memory of seeing Moscow. > will write: "Why for God sake am I the one reconstituted in Moscow ? > To answer the question, "you" were reconstituted in Moscow because "you" saw Moscow and the other fellow didn't, if you'd been reconstituted in Washington you'd be a different "you". It's not as if "you" became the Moscow Man and there is some great cosmic mystery as to why "you" then ended up in Moscow, it's the other way around, the very act of seeing Moscow turned "you" into the Moscow Man. And there is no mystery in the Moscow Man seeing Moscow, what the hell else is the Moscow Man supposed to see? If you want a more detailed answer as to why you saw Moscow I'd have to start talking about why the Helsinki Man (and you are the Helsinki Man even though the Helsinki Man is not you) agreed to walk into the duplicating chamber in the first place. And I'd have to start talking about the history of Moscow and why a city was built where it was and why it took the shape it did. But I don't see how getting into that will bring any philosophical enlightenment. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
