Thanks for the rehabilitation. As I learned in ~1933: Prius cogitare quam conari consuesce. (I like the relationship between conari and le canard).
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > Oops I should have read your comments rather than stopping to rattle of my > reply. But I think we agree. > > > On 28 August 2014 11:27, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I disagree that >> >> * Artificial intelligence >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence> is the simulation of >> intelligence in machines.* >> >> That is, I don't think it can be called a simulation (obviously ELIZA >> simulated having a lot more intelligence than it actually had). If a >> machine is intelligent, that's the real thing, surely? The "Artificial" in >> AI doesn't apply to the intelligence itself, but to the "substrate" it's >> running on. This seems to me a semantic confusion on the part of the >> article writer. >> >> >> >> On 28 August 2014 07:52, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wiki identifies the (non-artificial) base: >>> *For other uses, see Intelligence (disambiguation) >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(disambiguation)>.* >>> >>> *Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as in terms >>> of one's capacity for logic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic>, abstract >>> thought <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction>, understanding >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding>, self-awareness >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness>, communication >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication>, learning >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning>,emotional knowledge >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_knowledge>, memory >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory>, planning >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan>, creativity >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity> and problem solving >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving>.* >>> >>> *Intelligence is most widely studied in humans >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human>, but has also been observed in animals >>> and in plants. Artificial intelligence >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence> is the simulation of >>> intelligence in machines.* >>> >>> *Within the discipline of psychology >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology>, various approaches to human >>> intelligence have been adopted. The psychometric >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometric> approach is especially familiar >>> to the general public, as well as being the most researched and by far the >>> most widely used in practical settings.[1] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#cite_note-APA1995-1>* >>> >>> IMO all the substitute "words" mean *themselves*, not intelligence. >>> Accordingly the 'artificial' one would refer to simulate *THOSE terms* >>> in/by machines. Not the *INTELLIGENCE.* >>> >>> *I like to use* the word-origin meaning: *'inter'* ligence - >>> *legibility* or its variant, to understand "the in-between" what is not >>> verbatim expressed in/by the 'text'. Logically, intuitively, >>> anticipatorily, or otherwise we may come up in our thinking evolvement. >>> >>> *Artificial Intelligence *is accordingly an oxymoron. We cannot expect >>> from a (any?) machine to understand (use?) the verbatim non-expressed >>> (infinite potential) of some (any) content and work with it successfully. >>> Yet the term is widely used for 'computers' working in 'meanings and >>> conclusions' of the SO FAR deciphered domain of our thinking - translated >>> into softwares of that -still-embryonical tool of digital workings we call >>> our existing Turing machine. Beyond that "The Deluge". >>> >>> I do not share the pessimism of the good professor, our machines are not >>> (yet?) up to eliminate human ingenuity in the workplaces. >>> >>> John Mikes >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
