I should have added - an environment that only involves abstract relations; it has no referents to a reality richly experienced via senses.
On 31 August 2014 12:54, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 31 August 2014 12:27, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 8/30/2014 4:04 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> To be absolutely clear - the "Artificial" in AI refers to the machine >> which hosts the intelligence, not to the intelligence itself. >> >> The problem with machines defeating "Jeopardy" players (I assume this >> refers to this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy_%28TV_series%29 >> ?) is that the machines concerned almost certainly have no concepts of what >> the answers were about. >> >> >> How do you have a concept of what "Who was Charlamagne?" about? Isn't a >> lot of of it verbal and relational; stuff Winston does know. Of course >> Winston is ignorant about a lot of basic things about being a person >> because it doesn't have perceptive sensors and the ability to move and >> manipulate things. >> > > That's the point. Winston or whatever isn't immersed in an environment, or > its environment only involves abstract relations. So I do have a better > idea of who charlemagne was, even if I'd never heard of him before. > > Hence they aren't in fact "doing what humans do" (or at least not most > humans do, apart from perhaps *idiots savant*). Likewise, Deep Junior > almost certainly has no concept of what it's doing when it scores a 3-3 tie > aganst Kasparov. It has no concept of itself or its opponent, or very > limited "concepts" embedded in relatively small* data structures - and it > experiences no emotions on winning or losing. > > Isn't the reason you think that is because its input/output is so >> limited? It wouldn't be at all difficult to add to Deep Blue's program so >> that on winning it composed a poem of celebration and displayed fireworks >> on a screen - or even set off real fireworks - and on losing it shut down >> and refused to do anything for three days. >> > > No, I think that because there's no evidence whatsoever that Deep Blue etc > have feelings, at least none that I've come across. I'd be happy to be > proved wrong (which would be a boost for comp, I suppose). > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
