'Means' indicates something happened and you noticed it. You then either 
recognise this thing or mistake it for something else. Everything means 
something, but what it means and the fact that it does mean something comes 
from you, not the thing apprehended.

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> On 7 Sep 2014, at 8:47 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> First we'd have to figure out what "means" means. :-)
> 
> Brent
> 
>> On 9/6/2014 1:48 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>> Jeez - Liz, correction!!!
>> ( a lot of megabytes have been wasted because people don't agree on what 
>> something means)
>> you may have meant: ...on what we THINK a 'meaning' may be ...?
>> Who knows what something (anything) REALLY means?  -  not me, for sure.
>> John
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:06 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jeez, and I thought intelligence was the easy one. But yes, using the same 
>>> definitions is important, a lot of megabytes have been wasted because 
>>> people don't agree on what something means (I won't mention free 
>>> will...oops.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6 September 2014 09:18, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> After reading lots of repeats by otherwise smart people on the topic:
>>>> do we have a concensus on this list (narrow target enough?) about 
>>>> some  identification of  intelligence?   (forget Wiki!)
>>>> 
>>>> I proposed the 'inter-lego' classic, meaning to "read" (=understand 
>>>> act out, apply, etc.) the meanings BETWEEN the exactly worded lines 
>>>> (not as exactly spelled out verbatim). It requires a WIDER view, some 
>>>> anticipatory talent maybe, some combinatorical capability and so on). 
>>>> 
>>>> There was not too much appreciation (indeed: no reflections at all). 
>>>> 
>>>> On 'artificial' I have a weaker opinion: in our usage of language the 
>>>> word directs my mind towards 'speculative' - as both man-confounded, 
>>>> or contraption-erected results - or both. (I wonder why 'my mind' does 
>>>> avert from the 'naturally grown' as artificial? Indeed Mme.Nature is also 
>>>> just human. Or so we think.
>>>> Maybe I would lose my agnostic wisdom (ha ha) of unknowable and 
>>>> unfathomable pressures directing the CHANGE in the world).
>>>> 
>>>> So: are we ready to vote for 'intelligence'? (Not the CIA, mind you!). 
>>>> 
>>>> John M
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