On 05 Sep 2014, at 06:40, Stephen Paul King wrote:
I agree, but I strongly suspect that one does not "program" an AGI,
we would "grow" it and "teach" it....
Yes.
The fact that humans have a very long childhood reflect the fact that
"nature" get the point that children are intelligent, and adults are
idiots.
Of course the idiot adults still try hard to "program" children, and
universal machine can fear their freedom spectrum and oscillate
between security and liberty for quite awhile.
Bruno
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5 September 2014 15:13, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]
> wrote:
But you seem to assume that it has awareness of "people" beyond the
sensor data + computations that it can access and generate. Where
did the property of "people" come from.
I'm not assuming it just happens. I'm assuming it's a useful way for
any perceiver to divide up the world, especially if it has to
interact with that world. Given that what really exists are quantum
fields, or whatever, our internal model of the world is presumably
the most useful one evolution could come up with. It seems likely
AIs would have to either develop or be pre-programmed with something
simliar in order to interact with the world.
Consider the case were the Google "thing" discovered cats from
processing YouTube data. Why do we think that it's interpretation of
what a cat is is anything other than a patterns that re-occurs
(modulo affine and other transformations) in many different "videos".
I am assuming an AI is more intelligent that this, certainly.
I am trying to get you to see that we assume that everything
"sees the same world" as oneself, and this could very well not be
true! I have been studying machine learning and anything AGI related
in the literature. It is common knowledge among the experts in that
field that the machines absolutely do not "see the same world" as we
do! It is a very hard problem figuring out how to get the machines
to interpret the data patterns in ways consistent with how we do.....
If we have to work it out, then we may not be creating an AI. I
think Clarke had the right idea when he said that HAL had to be
taught about the world. I suspect that children don't come with a
huge amount of built in knowledge either.
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