On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Still don't get relation between comp and resolution of finite, infinite
> controversy; especially given "..." attribute today of supposedly finite
> comp.
>
> And I'm going to stay quite obtuse (at least [image: \aleph_0]-obtuse, if
> I have to quantify) on this so bring it on, either way.
>
>

A friend thankfully pointed out that I am perhaps mixing up the objects of
the ontology and their implied meta level; which would resolve my obtuosity
indeed.

On the meta level, as I can gather, the ontology is infinite, say the
natural numbers, but the ontology is not a member of the ontology! (There's
my "oops, ok yes, shit!") N itself is not a natural number, similar to set
theory where the collection of all sets is not a set.

So finitism: all existing "Urstuff/Urmachines/Urentities or
Urthing-stuffjunks" are finite, the whole of course infinite, but that
itself not being such a thing by reasoning above.

Ultrafinitism then: "set of all numbers is finite" and whatever weird logic
they need to have numbers obey some weirder upper limit, and I heard they
issue fines and tickets for anybody who states a bigger number.

I learn "immaterial size and the thingstuffentity itself" does matter!

Thankfully I have friends that can kick me over the head like this and rid
me of superfluous robustobtusity. PGC

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