On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 02 Oct 2014, at 14:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:25 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>> This is why I find protein folding intriguing. I see the following >>> possibilities: >>> >>> -> Molecular interactions entail an immense computational power; >>> -> P = NP; >>> -> We are constantly winning at quantum suicide. >>> Am I missing something? >>> >> >> P=/=NP doesn't mean that NP problems require "immense computational >> power" beyond what could biochemistry can provide. Being NP is just a >> statement about how a problem scales with size of the input. But for some >> given finite size it might be quickly solved. >> > > Right, but with protein folding we have an interesting comparison. Given > the practical applications, many bioinformatics labs are working on the > problem. Finding the lowest energy state for many interesting proteins > seems to be beyond the capabilities of very powerful clusters using current > algorithms. > > I agree with you that the most likely answer is that biochemistry can > indeed provide this computational power, but this is not an observation > devoid of interesting implications. One is technological: imagine what we > could do with biochemical computers. The other is related to the brain: if > biochemistry can unleash this computational power, then surely the brain > uses it. In which case our estimations of how far away we are from AGI may > be optimistic. > > > But what is an AGI? A machine which decapitate another machines becomes > the run another program? > We already have something a bit like this with Tom Ray's Tierra environment. A lot of interesting things happen there, live parasitism and viruses, all in a machine code ecology. In any case, I mean AGI in the engineering sense: the sort of technology that can free us from unwanted work. Or, put another way, a level of automation where no task requires a human. So that humans are free to pursue poetry, space exploration, sex orgies or whatever else they please. > > I think that Löbian universal machines are already intelligent, and that > we can accelerate the growing of competence, although this is utimately > what intelligence is for on this plane, but this might limit their > intelligence, and indeed they might become as delusional and 'stupid' like > us and get sleepy in the samsara. > I like your intelligence/competence dichotomy. It's usually artists that are more aware of this, I think. Out culture is not really paying attention at the moment, the momentum is too strong in the competence direction, I think. Telmo. > > > > > Sorry for the tangents in any case. > > > Sorry for mine too. > > Best, > > Bruno > > > > Cheers > Telmo. > > >> >> Brent >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
