On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:42 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
> I read Bruno's ID about* theology* some times - never really comprehended > it. > Then I suggest a standard dictionary or to google/wiki the term, where you'll find that Bruno did not invent the term, nor did he imbue it with some special interpretation. He mostly uses it in the common sense of "rational study of concept of god/nature of truth", which btw is implied by the word "Theology" and its etymology itself. > I got the notion that he sorts under such name the ideas of a 'startup of > the World' > no matter on what theory. > Startup of the World? > About the "GOD" concept???? did *ANYBODY EVER *communicated about it on > a basis NOT hearsay, NOT dreaming, or 'postulate for otherwise > ununderstandables'? > (Meaning: within our momentary capabilities of human mental level?) > That is the object of the line of scientific inquiry implied by the term "theology". For example, say you state after some mystical experience, that you met a god that told you to write down his message. If your god insists in the text that "he/she/it is infallible", in the literal sense of the term, in all possible universes, but then follows up that sentence asserting that "4+4 = 5 is true", then theology does its job by telling us that is not rational, with our usual understanding of "rational", and that we might have to find different ways of approaching the rational study of your text. If we agree on the scientific framework, we can thus argue about possible gods, what they say, implications in front of this or that theoretical/mathematical background, and analyze religious, spiritual statements, sentences, and propositions; even those concerning some inconceivable supreme principle. > > Is there anything known pointing to the "GOD" concept besides our > ignorance? > Your question and written text would be "something known to us" :-) There are of course, numerous other ones. > > I discount "God said so to me" because the noun is unsecured. > I don't discount much because I am greedy, so instead I ask for the pitch and ask questions. My average time is about 10 minutes until most give up on trying to sell. The exception are of course great musicians and their kind of proposition, to which I can listen to for hours and can wish for that the preaching may never stop. > Furthermore: I refuse Bruno's hint to the unoiform background to a > "Christian God concept" in this thread, initiated indeed on Muslim ideas. > If I understand correctly, indeed there are nuances in different interpretation of Christian God, but I'm not sure these become relevant here, where we can't even agree on the status or legitimacy of theology itself. > My position: a so called atheist requires a 'god' to deny. > In my agnostic thoughts I accept lotsof 'things' we cannot?/do not? know > so far. > But how can you know that? > I don't make up my mind to substitute for such unknowable domains using > our so-far acknowledged (poorly understood??) knowledge-base as > explanatory. > Well theology just asks things we can debate: How can you know how far you do not know? And by what yardstick? > Including math (arithmetics) - a firm staple of our *human* logic and > mentality. > > I do not go for arguments EXPLAINING phenomena by (human) math. > Explanation is not procreation. Procreation - in most domains so far - is > beyond us, so I accept it as unknowable. > Maybe, but most parents of teenagers would disagree and might prefer their offspring to better explain themselves than to procreate, which they seem quite eager to do. > Let us 'see' some "God-related facts" (if there are facts to see at all) > without 3p testimony or 1p dreaming/conclusions. So far I did not. > If you're so certain of your agnosticism, to take a theological stance on what I can parse from your posts, how would you know if you positively had 'seen such fact'? PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
