On 15 Nov 2014, at 23:19, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:27:50PM -0800, Peter Sas wrote:
Hi Russell, thanks for your answer... I will definitely give your
book a
closer reading in the near future, if I can get my poor
philosopher's head
to understand the mathematics :)
I hope you don't mind answering some questions in advance. You wrote:
No - it's a good question. Hopefully my answer makes sense.
Exactly. The source of the symmetry breaking is the action of an
observer. Symmetry is restored by considering all other observers
out
there in the "Nothing"-verse (more commonly called the Plenitude).
This what I don't get: How can there already exist observers (or at
least
one observer) prior to the symmetry breaking, given that it is this
breaking that turns zero-info into info? In other words: if you
already
presuppose an observer, your Nothing is not absolutely nothing...
it is an
observed nothing, but in my view we can't even presuppose an
observer if we
want to answer Leibniz' question by starting from nothing... I
admit there
is some paradox involved in imagining a 'situation' in which nothing
exists, not even an observer... we have to imagine a situation
where we
ourselves do not exist... to some extent that's impossible of
course...
after all, I have to exist in order to imagine my own non-
existencee... so
some observer is always pressupposed (Kan would call this the
transcendental subject)... but in my view we can't let that
presupposed
observer interact with the original nothing to cause symmetry
breaking....How do you think about this?
You are imagining things temporally, which is inappropriate here.
Once we conflate Nothing and Everything - that is the point of the
discussion about the mathematical notion of duality - then it is clear
that the Everything contains observers, observing their own points of
view, since the Everything, well, contains everything (at least every
possible thing).
Whilst Nothing (and Everything) is perfectly symmetric, the observers'
points of view are not. The act of observation has broken the
symmetry. The symmetry breaking is "spontaneous", for same reason as
Bruno's
FPI is random.
Thus my mantra, which has become something of a quotable quote:
"Something is the inside view of Nothing".
To be sure, assuming computationalism, We can be more precise and we
can say that the physical is (one of the) inside view of arithmetic:
indeed it is technically given by the views "[]p & p" or "[]p & p &
<>t" (or even by []p & <>t, which id definable by the observer unlike
the others) with p restricted to the sigma-1 sentences. This gives a
quantum logic for the bottom of the physical laws (= the laws of the
probability one on first person events).
Nothing is a notion which assumes conceptually many things.
Bruno
Now this might seem quite different to the physicists notion of
spontaneous symmetry breaking - eg the direction of the magnetic field
when a ferromagnetic material is cooled below it's Curie point - but
if
you think in Multiverse terms it is the same thing. The act of
observing the magnetic material means the magnetic material is in some
direction. Somewhere else in the Multiverse, there is an observer
seeing the magnetic field in the opposite direction.
Cheers
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