On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:
> As Nicolás Gómez Dávila said (more or less): The modern man indulge > itself thinking that he is a mechanism, but protest loudly when he is > treated as such. > I would argue that Gödel provides some excuse for this apparently paradoxical behaviour. > > 2014-11-15 18:39 GMT+01:00, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > > I know this comes up a lot, so there's a risk this guy isn't saying > > anything new here, but I browsed and decided to view the video and > thought > > I'd throw it out in case anyone else wants to enter that process. > > > > Here's the first few paragraphs, linke at bottom. Edge basically. > > > > *THE MYTH OF AI* > > > > A lot of us were appalled a few years ago when the American Supreme Court > > decided, out of the blue, to decide a question it hadn't been asked to > > decide, and declare that corporations are people. That's a cover for > making > > > > it easier for big money to have an influence in politics. But there's > > another angle to it, which I don't think has been considered as much: the > > tech companies, which are becoming the most profitable, the fastest > rising, > > > > the richest companies, with the most cash on hand, are essentially people > > for a different reason than that. They might be people because the > Supreme > > Court said so, but they're essentially algorithms. > > > > If you look at a company like Google or Amazon and many others, they do a > > little bit of device manufacture, but the only reason they do is to > create > > a channel between people and algorithms. And the algorithms run on these > > big cloud computer facilities. > > > > The distinction between a corporation and an algorithm is fading. Does > that > > > > make an algorithm a person? Here we have this interesting confluence > > between two totally different worlds. We have the world of money and > > politics and the so-called conservative Supreme Court, with this other > > world of what we can call artificial intelligence, which is a movement > > within the technical culture to find an equivalence between computers and > > people. In both cases, there's an intellectual tradition that goes back > > many decades. Previously they'd been separated; they'd been worlds apart. > > Now, suddenly they've been intertwined. > > > > The idea that computers are people has a long and storied history. It > goes > > back to the very origins of computers, and even from before. There's > always > > > > been a question about whether a program is something alive or not since > it > > intrinsically has some kind of autonomy at the very least, or it wouldn't > > be a program. There has been a domineering subculture—that's been the > most > > wealthy, prolific, and influential subculture in the technical world—that > > for a long time has not only promoted the idea that there's an > equivalence > > between algorithms and life, and certain algorithms and people, but a > > historical determinism that we're inevitably making computers that will > be > > smarter and better than us and will take over from us > > > > http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
