On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> As Nicolás Gómez Dávila said (more or less): The modern man indulge >> itself thinking that he is a mechanism, but protest loudly when he is >> treated as such. >> > > I would argue that Gödel provides some excuse for this apparently > paradoxical behaviour. > Is that because Godel has explained that our system, whatever it is, Is open to the input of truth, whatever, from more complete systems that we are embedded in.. > > >> >> 2014-11-15 18:39 GMT+01:00, [email protected] <[email protected]>: >> > I know this comes up a lot, so there's a risk this guy isn't saying >> > anything new here, but I browsed and decided to view the video and >> thought >> > I'd throw it out in case anyone else wants to enter that process. >> > >> > Here's the first few paragraphs, linke at bottom. Edge basically. >> > >> > *THE MYTH OF AI* >> > >> > A lot of us were appalled a few years ago when the American Supreme >> Court >> > decided, out of the blue, to decide a question it hadn't been asked to >> > decide, and declare that corporations are people. That's a cover for >> making >> > >> > it easier for big money to have an influence in politics. But there's >> > another angle to it, which I don't think has been considered as much: >> the >> > tech companies, which are becoming the most profitable, the fastest >> rising, >> > >> > the richest companies, with the most cash on hand, are essentially >> people >> > for a different reason than that. They might be people because the >> Supreme >> > Court said so, but they're essentially algorithms. >> > >> > If you look at a company like Google or Amazon and many others, they do >> a >> > little bit of device manufacture, but the only reason they do is to >> create >> > a channel between people and algorithms. And the algorithms run on these >> > big cloud computer facilities. >> > >> > The distinction between a corporation and an algorithm is fading. Does >> that >> > >> > make an algorithm a person? Here we have this interesting confluence >> > between two totally different worlds. We have the world of money and >> > politics and the so-called conservative Supreme Court, with this other >> > world of what we can call artificial intelligence, which is a movement >> > within the technical culture to find an equivalence between computers >> and >> > people. In both cases, there's an intellectual tradition that goes back >> > many decades. Previously they'd been separated; they'd been worlds >> apart. >> > Now, suddenly they've been intertwined. >> > >> > The idea that computers are people has a long and storied history. It >> goes >> > back to the very origins of computers, and even from before. There's >> always >> > >> > been a question about whether a program is something alive or not since >> it >> > intrinsically has some kind of autonomy at the very least, or it >> wouldn't >> > be a program. There has been a domineering subculture—that's been the >> most >> > wealthy, prolific, and influential subculture in the technical >> world—that >> > for a long time has not only promoted the idea that there's an >> equivalence >> > between algorithms and life, and certain algorithms and people, but a >> > historical determinism that we're inevitably making computers that will >> be >> > smarter and better than us and will take over from us >> > >> > http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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