On 17 Nov 2014, at 15:02, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]
> wrote:
As Nicolás Gómez Dávila said (more or less): The modern man indulge
itself thinking that he is a mechanism, but protest loudly when he is
treated as such.
I would argue that Gödel provides some excuse for this apparently
paradoxical behaviour.
Indeed, if you translate "indulge itself thinking that he is a
mechanism," by the 3p []p, and when you think about yourself in th 1P,
by []p & p.
By Gödel they are different (both from the 1p and 3p perspective, yet
equal from the true (God) perspective).
Bruno
2014-11-15 18:39 GMT+01:00, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
> I know this comes up a lot, so there's a risk this guy isn't saying
> anything new here, but I browsed and decided to view the video and
thought
> I'd throw it out in case anyone else wants to enter that process.
>
> Here's the first few paragraphs, linke at bottom. Edge basically.
>
> *THE MYTH OF AI*
>
> A lot of us were appalled a few years ago when the American
Supreme Court
> decided, out of the blue, to decide a question it hadn't been
asked to
> decide, and declare that corporations are people. That's a cover
for making
>
> it easier for big money to have an influence in politics. But
there's
> another angle to it, which I don't think has been considered as
much: the
> tech companies, which are becoming the most profitable, the
fastest rising,
>
> the richest companies, with the most cash on hand, are essentially
people
> for a different reason than that. They might be people because the
Supreme
> Court said so, but they're essentially algorithms.
>
> If you look at a company like Google or Amazon and many others,
they do a
> little bit of device manufacture, but the only reason they do is
to create
> a channel between people and algorithms. And the algorithms run on
these
> big cloud computer facilities.
>
> The distinction between a corporation and an algorithm is fading.
Does that
>
> make an algorithm a person? Here we have this interesting confluence
> between two totally different worlds. We have the world of money and
> politics and the so-called conservative Supreme Court, with this
other
> world of what we can call artificial intelligence, which is a
movement
> within the technical culture to find an equivalence between
computers and
> people. In both cases, there's an intellectual tradition that goes
back
> many decades. Previously they'd been separated; they'd been worlds
apart.
> Now, suddenly they've been intertwined.
>
> The idea that computers are people has a long and storied history.
It goes
> back to the very origins of computers, and even from before.
There's always
>
> been a question about whether a program is something alive or not
since it
> intrinsically has some kind of autonomy at the very least, or it
wouldn't
> be a program. There has been a domineering subculture—that's been
the most
> wealthy, prolific, and influential subculture in the technical
world—that
> for a long time has not only promoted the idea that there's an
equivalence
> between algorithms and life, and certain algorithms and people,
but a
> historical determinism that we're inevitably making computers that
will be
> smarter and better than us and will take over from us
>
> http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai
>
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