Hi Alberto, You talk of "advancement of society", so this implies some collective goal. What is the goal, in your view?
Cheers Telmo. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: > I laugh at the anthropological optimists that are confident that humans > will be like gods for the same reason that I laugh loudly at cibernetical > optimists. > > most of the effort of inteligent people is devoted to lie themselves and > other in order to gain power and "enslave" people, at least, to seduce > other in his sophisticated lies. The more inteligence, the more chance > for creation and destruction. On the average, intelligence alone > contribute zero to the advancement of society and thus contributes nothing > to the advancement of anything. It is often the case that dumb people are > wiser than intelligent people from Harvard of Yale staturated by ideology > (self-profitable ideology, I could say). > > To have intelligent machines either autonomous or not don´t change that > they could be used for good or for evil contributing nothing, not even to > the progress of machines. > > 2014-11-24 7:45 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > >> >> > A.I. is no closer than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. >>> >> >> Of one thing I am certain, someday computers will become more intelligent >> than any human who ever lived using any measure of intelligence you care to >> name. And I am even more certain that we are 20 years closer to that day >> than we were 20 years ago. >> >> > But what is new and big is Big Data. But Big Data does not involve >>> theories of A.I. nor efforts. it's about taking very large sets of paired >>> data and converging by some basic rule to a single thing. This is how >>> translation services work. >>> >> >> Well... Big Data computers are artificial and good translation requires >> intelligence, so why in the world isn't that AI. >> >> > Big Data does not involve theories of A.I >>> >> >> I think it very unlikely that the secret to intelligence is some grand >> equation you could put on a teashirt, it's probably 1001 little hacks and >> kludges that all add up to something big. >> >> > It's very large sets of translations of sentences, and sentence >>> components, simply rehashed for best fit >>> >> >> Simply? Is convoluted better than simple? Are you saying that if we can >> explain how it works then it can't be intelligent? >> >> > It actually works fairly adequately for most translation needs. Which >>> would be great, except this: The Big Data system is not independent at any >>> point. Every day there needs to be a huge scrape of the translations >>> performed by human translators. >>> >> >> And human beings move from being mediocre translators to being very good >> translators by observing how great translators do it. >> >> > Human translation professions are in a state of freefall. There used to >>> be a career structure with rising income and security and status. Now there >>> isn't. >>> >> >> Translation certainly won't be the last profession where machines become >> better at there job than any human; and I predict that the next time it >> happens somebody will try to find a excuse for it just like you did and say >> "Yes a machine is a better poet or surgeon or joke writer or physicists >> than I am but it doesn't really count because (insert lame excuse here)". >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
