On 11/24/2014 5:36 PM, LizR wrote:
On 25 November 2014 at 13:41, John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 LizR <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> I don't think we need to worry about intelligent machines. A
smartphone is fairly intelligent, for
example, at doing what it does. Conscious machines, which (according to
Bruno,
at least) are possible, are another matter.
From a practical operational standpoint it doesn't matter if a machine (or
one of my
fellow human beings) is conscious or not, all that matters is if it can
outsmart me
or not. And by the way, if you think that "smartphone" is more than just a
name for
a certain type of phone and is really smart then why don't you think it's
conscious
too? It's almost as if you believe that consciousness is harder to achieve
than
intelligence.
We've made intelligent machines, but I don't know of any conscious ones (except those
nature has produced, I mean)
But do you know we /*have not*/ made any conscious ones?
> The main difference being that conscious beings have their own
objectives.
But even if a intelligent being is not conscious (something I am quite sure
is not
possible) it would have tendencies to act in one way rather than another
determined
by the thoughts (call them information streams if you like euphemisms)
flowing
through its brain; and the more intelligent the being is the harder it
would be for
you to understand them. And those thoughts may very often have absolutely
positively
nothing to do with your best interests.
Looks like you are using an unusual definition of consciousness, so I will pass on this
discussion.
What do you consider the usual definition of consciousness? Is it "having an inner
narrative" (per Julian Jaynes)? Perceiving and reacting to surroundings? Understanding
Lob's theorem?
Brent
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