On 09 Dec 2014, at 18:47, meekerdb wrote:

On 12/9/2014 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But once you believe in a reality other than your consciousness, you are a believer.

Once you believe in anything, including arithmetic, you're a believer. I know physicists who think matter is just part of a theory we made up to explain observations and consciousness is just model to explain our memories. Are they as agnostic as John Mikes pretends to be?

I would have said yes, except that consciousness is not a model/ theory. It is a personal fact in need to be explained.

There is no problem with physics. Nor with physicalist. Only with physicalist philosophers when pretending not doing philosophy nor theology. The problem is with people who have unconscious dogma. The problem is with the self-proclaimed free-thinkers who get uneasy with applied free-thinking when it shows the limit of their free-thinking openness. Usually they are philosophers. My work is not a problem with genuine scientists, only with mediatico-politico-pseudo-religious circles, which are just more influent than scientists nowadays.
To be honest, I think the problem are purely political, not scientific.

Bruno




Brent

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