The key point is not energy, but power. Political power.


2014-12-12 7:20 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>:
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> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > We and other species could no doubt adapt to the much warmer climate of
>> the Carboniferous era - but not in a few hundred years.
>>
>
> When things got super hot life adapted, and we're far more intelligent
> than anything that lived during the Carboniferous and the specialty of
> intelligence is being good at adapting quickly to changing environmental
> conditions.
>
>>
>>  > > Did that revelation come to you in a dream? You know why the Earth
>>> was super cold 450 million years ago and super hot 360 million years ago
>>> and everything in-between since?
>>>
>>>  > No it came to me reading about the Milankovich cycles.
>>
>> Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch
> cycle can explain why the Earth was  colder than it's ever been 450
> million years ago and hotter than any time in the last two billion years
> 360 million years ago.
>
>
>> >> No person who doesn't make his living feeding environmental panic says
>>> the global temperature is going to rise 4.5degK anytime soon,
>>>
>>>  > It's the 95% upper confidence bound of the IPCC projection for 2100.
>>
>
> Bureaucratic agencies have a survival instinct, if people thought there
> was no need to be in a environmental panic there would be no reason for a
> agency like the IPCC to exist, and I don't give a damn if they're confident
> I only care if they're correct and predictions about what things will be
> like in 85 years almost never are. For heavens sake that's like demanding
> that the Wright Brothers find a solution to airport congestion; if in 85
> years global warming turns out to be a real problem our toolkit for fixing
> things will be VASTLY larger and more powerful than it is now, and in the
> meantime there are plenty of more important problems that need fixing right
> now.
>
>
>
>> > Bullshit.  You're just making up straw man "environmentalist".  One of
>> my close friends is president of the Sierra Club and he's *for* nuclear
>> power.
>>
>
> We've been down this road before.  I don't know who your mystery friend is
> but I do know that the Sierra Club official website says:
>
> "The Sierra Club remains unequivocally opposed to nuclear energy."
>
> > And even those who are against it only hold that opinion because they
>> think solar and wind can replace oil.
>>
>
> Then they are fools.
>
>   John K Clark
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