I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a more perverse way
It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live under your "representants" "democratically" chosen. It is not the same to be opressed by someone recognizable as a concrete person against which you can at least fight coaligated with others than to live oppressed by an impersonal burocratic structure where you don´t know who decides what. and therefore do not know who to fight against. It is not the same for a Lord that he is responsible of what happens in the face of the people than a democratic lord whose responsibility is diffuminated in a network of power so that no one accept any final responsibility. It is not the same to be a Lord whose children will inherit the political power or else will be killed depending on the scrutiny of society than to be the member of a opaque network that exploit the state for the benefit of the political caste system. Definitively, the democratic legitimation permits a more perfect tyranny, where no one know for sure who has the power. The are not by no means the ones that change power every four years, but a permanent power structure that control the mass media and the "democratic representants" 2014-12-19 13:42 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > > On 18 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an > ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest tend to > reproduce it in a bastardized way. > > > I would say that democracy reproduce it, but with some hope of changing > the bastard things when they come up. > > > > > That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature tend > towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards persons and families rather > than a loyality to depersonalized institutions. These loyalities can help > or cans subvert the formal ldemocratic regime. > > That is why the democratic regimes need a form of cult to the founders > of the democracy, or else, a monarchy that embodies the loyalities and > canalize that loyality from the king to the democratic regime sanctioned by > him. For the same reason, the republican democracies need the cult to some > withened political figures that symbolize their values. > > That may or may not work. Some of these loyalities can destroy the formal > regime or, more frequently can corrupt or undermine it, so that the formal > system hides the real one, which makes use of the formal system for their > own purposes. Since this real regime is hidden, it adopt a form of corrupt > system, wheren the lawyers, police, media etc don´t execute what the formal > law tells but what is adequeate for the hidden loyality system. > > > But that is not a reason to directly implement the feudal system. > democracy are not perfect, but they are the implementation of a system > which allows changes and corrections, when it works sufficiently well. If > not, it means the system is no more democratic, and we have to start a > revolution again. > > Bruno > > > Normally this last one is the real regime that operates in every so called > "democracy" > > 2014-12-18 11:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> "Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from >>> all the others." >>> >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> >> So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected sovereigns? >> The fellow was full of contradictions: >> >> "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with >> the average voter." >> >> Winston Churchill >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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