Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL
Email: [email protected] [email protected] Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com "I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them are in government" - Russell Brand > On 20 Dec 2014, at 4:37 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 19 Dec 2014, at 16:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she >> himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a more >> perverse way >> >> >> It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live under your >> "representants" "democratically" chosen. It is not the same to be opressed >> by someone recognizable as a concrete person against which you can at least >> fight coaligated with others than to live oppressed by an impersonal >> burocratic structure where you don´t know who decides what. and therefore do >> not know who to fight against. It is not the same for a Lord that he is >> responsible of what happens in the face of the people than a democratic lord >> whose responsibility is diffuminated in a network of power so that no one >> accept any final responsibility. >> >> It is not the same to be a Lord whose children will inherit the political >> power or else will be killed depending on the scrutiny of society than to be >> the member of a opaque network that exploit the state for the benefit of the >> political caste system. >> >> Definitively, the democratic legitimation permits a more perfect tyranny, >> where no one know for sure who has the power. The are not by no means the >> ones that change power every four years, but a permanent power structure >> that control the mass media and the "democratic representants" > > I agree partially with you. But I think this describes the state of a sick > democracy, if not a dead democracy. So, yes, democracies are living beings, > fragile, which can be perverted and lead to tyrannies. That is even the case > today, with a tyranny of special corporate monopolistic interests which > disrupted the condition 1 of a (sane) democracy: the separation of power. > > OK, we must find the cause and correct it. In a non democracy, we might need > to wait for a revolution before. In a democracy which is not yet entirely > rotten, I can write books and suggest ideas. > > We must not confuse the system well alert and valiant, and the system when > sick. It would be like saying that the blood cells fuels the cancer, when it > is just the cancer cells which pervert the bloods cells. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> 2014-12-19 13:42 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: >>> >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>>> >>>> Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an >>>> ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest tend to >>>> reproduce it in a bastardized way. >>> >>> I would say that democracy reproduce it, but with some hope of changing the >>> bastard things when they come up. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature tend >>>> towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards persons and families rather >>>> than a loyality to depersonalized institutions. These loyalities can help >>>> or cans subvert the formal ldemocratic regime. >>>> >>>> That is why the democratic regimes need a form of cult to the founders >>>> of the democracy, or else, a monarchy that embodies the loyalities and >>>> canalize that loyality from the king to the democratic regime sanctioned >>>> by him. For the same reason, the republican democracies need the cult to >>>> some withened political figures that symbolize their values. >>>> >>>> That may or may not work. Some of these loyalities can destroy the formal >>>> regime or, more frequently can corrupt or undermine it, so that the formal >>>> system hides the real one, which makes use of the formal system for their >>>> own purposes. Since this real regime is hidden, it adopt a form of corrupt >>>> system, wheren the lawyers, police, media etc don´t execute what the >>>> formal law tells but what is adequeate for the hidden loyality system. >>> >>> But that is not a reason to directly implement the feudal system. democracy >>> are not perfect, but they are the implementation of a system which allows >>> changes and corrections, when it works sufficiently well. If not, it means >>> the system is no more democratic, and we have to start a revolution again. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>>> >>>> Normally this last one is the real regime that operates in every so called >>>> "democracy" >>>> >>>> 2014-12-18 11:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> "Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from >>>>>> all the others." >>>>>> >>>>>> Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>> So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected sovereigns? >>>>> The fellow was full of contradictions: >>>>> >>>>> "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with >>>>> the average voter." >>>>> >>>>> Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alberto. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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