On 19 Dec 2014, at 16:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that
she himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a
more perverse way
It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live
under your "representants" "democratically" chosen. It is not the
same to be opressed by someone recognizable as a concrete person
against which you can at least fight coaligated with others than to
live oppressed by an impersonal burocratic structure where you don´t
know who decides what. and therefore do not know who to fight
against. It is not the same for a Lord that he is responsible of
what happens in the face of the people than a democratic lord whose
responsibility is diffuminated in a network of power so that no one
accept any final responsibility.
It is not the same to be a Lord whose children will inherit the
political power or else will be killed depending on the scrutiny of
society than to be the member of a opaque network that exploit the
state for the benefit of the political caste system.
Definitively, the democratic legitimation permits a more perfect
tyranny, where no one know for sure who has the power. The are not
by no means the ones that change power every four years, but a
permanent power structure that control the mass media and the
"democratic representants"
I agree partially with you. But I think this describes the state of a
sick democracy, if not a dead democracy. So, yes, democracies are
living beings, fragile, which can be perverted and lead to tyrannies.
That is even the case today, with a tyranny of special corporate
monopolistic interests which disrupted the condition 1 of a (sane)
democracy: the separation of power.
OK, we must find the cause and correct it. In a non democracy, we
might need to wait for a revolution before. In a democracy which is
not yet entirely rotten, I can write books and suggest ideas.
We must not confuse the system well alert and valiant, and the system
when sick. It would be like saying that the blood cells fuels the
cancer, when it is just the cancer cells which pervert the bloods cells.
Bruno
2014-12-19 13:42 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
On 18 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an
ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest
tend to reproduce it in a bastardized way.
I would say that democracy reproduce it, but with some hope of
changing the bastard things when they come up.
That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature
tend towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards persons and
families rather than a loyality to depersonalized institutions.
These loyalities can help or cans subvert the formal ldemocratic
regime.
That is why the democratic regimes need a form of cult to the
founders of the democracy, or else, a monarchy that embodies the
loyalities and canalize that loyality from the king to the
democratic regime sanctioned by him. For the same reason, the
republican democracies need the cult to some withened political
figures that symbolize their values.
That may or may not work. Some of these loyalities can destroy the
formal regime or, more frequently can corrupt or undermine it, so
that the formal system hides the real one, which makes use of the
formal system for their own purposes. Since this real regime is
hidden, it adopt a form of corrupt system, wheren the lawyers,
police, media etc don´t execute what the formal law tells but what
is adequeate for the hidden loyality system.
But that is not a reason to directly implement the feudal system.
democracy are not perfect, but they are the implementation of a
system which allows changes and corrections, when it works
sufficiently well. If not, it means the system is no more
democratic, and we have to start a revolution again.
Bruno
Normally this last one is the real regime that operates in every so
called "democracy"
2014-12-18 11:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
"Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart
from all the others."
Winston Churchill
So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected
sovereigns? The fellow was full of contradictions:
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
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