> On 10 Jan 2015, at 10:20 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 1/9/2015 2:56 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> >> Democracy is great but is not robust enough to withstand the urge to >> tribalism. Despite all systems of government and theories of statism and >> collectivism - the fact remains that homo sapiens are divided into tribes. >> This is so because it was the original disposition or orientation of >> individuals toward each other in a "society". Geographical place of origin >> has always and will always determine your "home" and there is quite simply >> nothing more to it than that. Humans always see the devil in the people on >> the other side of the river. >> >> In "parliamentary democracy" it is the function of the opposition to oppose >> everything the government proposes. These people do their job well, so it >> isn't surprising that governments are continually trying to dance in treacle >> in parliamentary democracies. Thus, fight, battle, competition, >> warring interests always determine the outcome as the barely-concealed >> tribal affiliations take over. Madame Thatcher was right "There are only >> families. Nothing else matters." >> >> Trouble is, no one ever wants to look at it from this apparently simplistic >> tribal perspective because it necessarily implies the shitfight of racism >> but maybe just take a look at the world already... > > It's just the way Madison, Jefferson, and Franklin looked at it. They tried > to create a government in which contending "tribes" would prevent any one > "tribe" from gaining tyrannical power. > > Brent
So, if there are no friends (in love and war) but only clans with territory and assets, we should perhaps look at the whole thing more fruitfully from a game theory perspective. Democracy - if it means anything other than Bruno's one man, one vote - means a kind of almost magical momentary plateau of cooperation between hominids; entirely artificial and unnatural. Cooperation amongst humans has nevertheless always happened wherever humans have arisen, which is where the persistent clanlike or tribal structure of human society comes from. It is always geographically delimited somewhere in the past. Even the public religions are clans - in fact the biggest clans of all because their members can live just about anywhere on the globe and still call somewhere else special (Mecca, Jerusalem etc) their "home" (read "tribal grounds"). I would say the true ethology of human nature has yet to be fully grokked because it probably involves something like Bruno's comp which predicts the plurality of conscious perspectives and places an emphasis on the importance of all the different (1p) perspectives. You cannot write the true and correct explanation of Human Nature if you happen to be a human. The third person perspective only leads to clash and struggle as humans revert to their natural deep mistrust of one another whenever they hear of each other's existence and each others' competing needs. Also, group psychology is a little-understood aspect of human tribalism. Groups are fascinating things. Colonies of minds. A few of the innumerable but presumably finite human sets: The Catholic set The Jewish set The Muslim set The Jihadist set The Neo-con set The El-pinko commie set The Hillbilly set The Tory set The Morris Dancers set The Private School set The Freemason set The Hollywood set The Upper North Shore set The Rich set The Poor set The Creative set The Anally-Retentive set The New Zealand set The Gay set The National Front set Etc. ad infinitum Some of these hominid clans are quite subtle. They all represent a perspective but are all based on needs-satisfaction of one sort or another. Personally, I try not to belong to any clans, but of course cannot escape belonging to some of them simply by dint of being a human and existing. It's a problem no one is really looking at. We are classified and known throughout life by our tribal origins in so many ways (race, ethnicity, language, education, religion, political affiliation etc.) It could be that in a way, clans form as a kind of suspension of the natural hostility of individuals toward each other for the purpose of better survival chances. Marriage and lineage cement things further. Property and other assets are thrown in. The stakes are now quite high. Secrecy now becomes an important part of the game. The need to know each others' secrets is now what drives society. Arms races, that sort of thing. It doesn't matter what the official political narrative is of the day, it will all be decided by the shaman when the moon reaches the third quarter, the rains come and a young albino lamb is slaughtered as an offering. Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: [email protected] [email protected] Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com "I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them are in government" - Russell Brand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
