> On 16 Jan 2015, at 9:56 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> That's why all this talk around "agnostics are really atheists" is dubious: 
> in assigning to certain ideas fixed literal meaning (God as person or 
> whatever), the atheist does and goes beyond what the agnostic refuses to do: 
> to believe strongly, with a certainty and confidence, that should be alien to 
> scientific practice. PGC

Yes. It takes real coursage to say "I don't know". The true agnostic alone has 
this as his logo. Such people are kind of heroes because they cannot be placed 
in some Aristotelian box in the blink of an eye but must remain forever outside 
the box. The agnostic has the rare gift of uncertainty. This is truly a gift 
because the normal human response to a paradox or an irreconcilable conflict of 
views is to say "may the strongest win" and to then lunge at each other's 
jugular. That's another thing the religulous and the atheists share: a quick 
finger on the trigger. Part of being able to think effectively involves the 
ability to hold apparent opposites in suspension. This corresponds to all the 
different perceptions of each of the heads in the room. 

In fact there is a fourth position, the one I take.

1. I believe

2. I don't believe

3. I don't know

4. Maybe

"Maybe" does NOT mean "I don't know." It means "sell the idea to me a bit 
harder and make me want it more." It leaves open the possibility that in the 
future you may change your position. If you never change your mind - why have 
one?

K

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