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I even have a T-shirt with the printing, I Tea Bagged Nancy Pelosi. I ordered it from zazzle. Its still hold up after 4 years You must wear it like a brown shirt! Do you also sport an armband? - Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]?> ] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Democracy Yah! Typical proggie, Must be one of your tea party pejoratives? Technically, Buckwheat, I am not a White Christian dude. More of a Tea Party idiot.. yes. Secondly, since we have drifted into your personal vitriol, allow me, unlike Mr. Jesus, to not turn the other cheek, but rather to reply in kind. The term WASP used to describe the white anglo saxon protestants, who in this land were believed to be the central culture of racism, religious hatred, exclusivism. My new way of thinking is that WASP now connotes White Anglo Saxon Progressives, which to my mind are the true fascists in America's midst, and in my more corrosive moments terms them as White Aryan Socialist Pigfuckers. WASP's being, the willing enablers of Islamic fanaticism, women hatred, Jew hatred, Christian hatred and sadly, America hatred. To wit, the WASP's of whichever terminology, do indeed which this nation state wiped out, and they the neo-Wasps will somehow be the lone survivors. As to your country? Are we speaking of Castro's Cuba, because that's my own reply to assholes like Michael Moore (Where's My Country Dude? 2002) which I surmised, must have been communist Cuba, a place of repression, poverty-along with all that nice free health care :-) I could not have done a better job myself, in exposing you as being a paranoid, vulgar and violently fascist ignorant human being. Fortunately your sick views are a small minority in this country (even within the Republican party). America has no appetite for your lurid crusade, in spite of all the noise being made by your neocon thought leaders. Fortunately, for us -- and the rest of the world -- America has not become all that captivated by your fascist movement. You idiots have already reached your high water mark politically. Crawl back in the hole you slithered out. I am not particularly concerned by the deaths you cited below of the Jihadist peoples waging their wars of domination and extermination worldwide, across many nations, any more than I would have been deeply, troubled, by the incineration of Tokyo by incendiary bombs dropped by the US Air corp in 1944 (then). I can see that… all that death and suffering. I bet thinking about it gives you a hard on? Nor, would I bleed heavily for the worthies of Nuremberg during the same period, as both citizens of those nations were participating in Camp 731 in Manchuria, where tens of thousands suffered torture murders by the Japanese Army to develop bioweapons, and the Germans were doing the same at Dachau, respectively. So, the Jihadists worldwide are doing mayhem wherever they can, against Buddhists in Thailand, Hard to have a discussion with someone who is as ignorant of world demographics and history as you. Thailand's three Southernmost provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, have a Muslim AND ethnic (linguistic) Malay majority. Thailand as a whole is dominated by its Buddhist and ethnic Thai majority and for decades subjected this religious and ethnic majority Muslim and Malay region to a process of forced assimilation into majority Thai culture. Your ignorant mind demands that this separatist movement be worked into your cherished clash of civilizations meme, but reality is far more complex and nuanced than intellectual simpletons such as yourself demand it to be. and against Hindus in India, Stupid idiot – It is the Muslim minorities in India who regularly get murdered, burned out of their homes and driven off their land by Hindu extremists. Narendra Modi, the current Prime Minister of India was the man in charge in Gujurat state during one of these anti-Muslim pogroms; and has ridden a wave of Hindu nationalism to power. and nary a peep of protests against the Islamist movement, dominating the Uma (Islamic Community). I will save my pity for those that deserve it, and so far most Muslims seem ok with all this. I do see though that through speeches and writing's the WASP's of the world, will make up the existence of supposedly, nice, tolerant Muslims, as part of their speech-response. Non-existent nice guys who are really ok. Will this be your response as well??? It sure followers the party line of 'pretend' doesn't it? My response: Get some help, you need it. There are medications for people like you. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 2:18 pm Subject: RE: Democracy From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]?> ] I am sure, not that your summaries listed are not accurate, but they pale into comparison, from a religious-ideology pov, with the followers of sharia. How many Afghanis, Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, Yemenis, Palestinians, Lebanese… how many civilians living in these countries (and occupied territories) have been murdered in acts of war waged on them by Western (+Israeli) military forces? Do their lives not matter? Is it only white Christian lives that matter to you? Even on a per capita basis, I will argue that these guys are now the heavy hitters for intolerance and violence. And, tomorrow it may be the Cult of Cthulu, or the Shriners Circus. Today they are the vanguard proletariat back to the future. Have you put any thought into how to blunt their effectiveness, for they are now quite successful, in their own estimation? This would be my question to the group concerning this. I have batted around one idea over the last couple of years (fully aware that I am the pimple on a amoeba's ass in the scheme of things), but it unsurprisingly goes over like neptunium balloon, not only in our emails, but at a couple of other forums I attend. The less said the better. The second method to blunt them by giving them other targets to lunge for, to wit, lighting fires in their own territories-so they'll be less time and energy and monies, to set off explosives in the US or Stockholm. Screw you chickenhawk, go fight your own damn crusade, leave me and my country out of it. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 10:10 pm Subject: RE: Democracy From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]?> ] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Democracy Right now, Chris, it ain't the Hindus, or the Buddhists, or the Pastafarians, or the Jains, nor, the Daoists, nor even the 700 Clubbers, that are causing hell on earth and massive repression and intimidation. Its the Muslims. Perhaps in 50 years it will be bloody Star Wars Force fanatics, but today its these guys. You so sure of that? In 2002 Hindu extremists in Gujurat state, with the tacit encouragement and cover of a rising Hindu nationalist politician (now the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi – leading resurgent Hindu extremism pays off in Indian politics), murdered over 2,000 Muslims in that state. Lest you say – that was a decade ago – in 2013 in Uttar Pradesh state more than 50,000 Muslims were ethnically cleansed and driven from their homes in attacks on Muslim farmers by Hindu extremists. The Hindu occupation of Kashmir has led to very serious human rights abuses against the Muslim majority in that state as well. The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), an ethnic militant/terrorist group in Northeast India "has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda"; and have murdered more than 20 Hindus in Tripura because they resisted forced conversions to Christianity. The Maronite Christian militias in Lebanon did the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly, as generalissimo Ariel Sharon – whose forces had invaded southern Lebanon -- observed the entire massacre, which his forces could have easily prevented, but did not. Northern Ireland – need I say more – kept murdering each other along Christian sectarian lines for decades. The Lord's Resistance Army – a fanatical Christian terrorist group in Uganda has killed thousands. In the United States, prior to the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing McVeigh orchestrated was the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history: 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured. the Army of God, the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements have murdered abortion doctors (Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009, Dr. Barnett Slepian, Oct. 23, 1998, Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. ) and terrorized those whom they deem worthy of death because of their Christian ideology. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994 Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012 white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996 (carried out by a Christian terrorist: Eric Rudolph) Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Baruch Goldstein an American-born Israeli physician, perpetrated the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in the city of Hebron, in which he shot and killed 29 Muslim worshipers inside the Ibrahimi Mosque. At Goldstein's funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are "not worth a Jewish fingernail", and his gravesite is a pilgrimage destination for Jewish extremists (yes they exist too). Any group of people (including religious groups) can perpetrate terroristic violence upon the identifiable other. Your desire to frame this as being Muslim only phenomena, is rooted in your pathological attachment to the insane notion of a clash of civilizations. As I have said before, no one is stopping you from heading off on your insane crusade. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 4:32 pm Subject: Re: Democracy _____ From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> Chris, I was stumbling around for science articles, when I cam across this social science study from the EU, Germany specifically Chris, which is more nuanced then my view and less naive (my word) than yours. Its worth the read, and informs the subject we argue about. Not too long either. Calling my view naive, may make you feel rhetorically good about yourself, but I have actually lived in Muslim countries and in Western Europe (for years) and have a much clearer understanding of the real world as well as the real people actually living in the real world than you apparently do. Frankly the rise of all forms of religious fundamentalism including the American fundamentalist sects concerns me; and you are playing right into their game. -Chris http://www.science20.com/news_articles/how_prevalent_is_islamic_fundamentalism_in_europe_its_alarming-152350 -----Original Message----- From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Democracy Your mistake is comparing hand grenades to nerve gas. The Zetas want money and power, while Boko Haram wants money, power, the lust to kill, and paradise with babes forever. You do not see the Zetas or the Mafia wiping out a magazine headquarters, nor do we see meth heads becoming suicide bombers. You are performing the narrative of the Bamer administration because my pov (based on observation) is offensive to your weltanschauung. Its not your fault that the Islamists behave in such a way, and neither is it mine. ISIS is Islam, and says so in its rule books. Think of the comparison of how Christianity behaved say, from 325-1945, with wars, slaughters, racism, hatred, and all those other fun things. This is Islam today and the nice guys are in the minority. ISIS doesn't need to be the Reich to do heavy damage, because honestly the Germans weren't that illogical, irrational yes, illogical no. Breivik in Norway was a neonazi that saw his fellow Norwegians as traitors to the fatherland. Breivik wasn't seeking paradise, in the same sense that Pol Pot in Cambodia wasn't seeking paradise. Janah or Paradise, is what literally gets Muslims up in the morning, factually and allegorically. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 1:11 pm Subject: RE: Democracy From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]?> ] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Democracy I don't know if I'm a likable fellow, and I'd say probably not, but thanks. The war and clash of civilizations thing comes up in the absence of some better alternative. Being overly polite with the Islamists leads to Boko Haram and Paris, I truly believe, because they view gentleness as weakness. Who is “they”? Muslim culture in general, or specific criminal gangs of thugs using Islam as a justification and cover for their crimes? The killings are worldwide, in places, on a far smaller scale as in Thailand and the Philippines and India. Gang killings occur in every country. Organized criminal thugs are operating in many places around the world, not just in Muslim countries. Why do you constrain yourself to fight only organized criminal organizations that operate under cover of Islam, using it as a fig leaf to cover their murderous actions? Do you think the Zetas and other Mexican drug cartels (or any of the other drug cartels for that matter are not as murderous? I used to live and drive all over the region of Mexico and South Texas where the Zetas; that whole region has been terrified by these murderous criminal thugs who have beheaded people before ISIS got into that game (ex. 2013 beheaded four woman allegedly tied to a rival gang). They have done many mass killings; more than 60,000 people have died in Mexican drug wars. The reason, in large part, is the Islamists want to achieve immediate entrance to Janah, or Paradise, where they get endless access to women, and good times forever, for sacrificing now. Blablabla… yeah so they tell you. Criminal thugs are not motivated by such stupid fairy tales, these are hardcore criminal psychopaths who are using Islam as window dressing. ISIS is not the Third Reich; to make that comparison is fucking laughable. ISIS is an organized murderous criminal gang. It should be dealt with in that manner and portrayed in this light. ISIS is not Islam, in the same way as that asshole who mass murdered all those teenagers in a summer youth camp in Norway is not Christian. -Chris This is one reason. In a way, this is akin to letting the 3rd Reich or Japanese imperialists gain power and momentum in a war, which most nations didn't want-then war becomes the only solution, because things then become existential. This seems to be happening once more with the Islamists-which appear to be gaining momentum today. Points to be remembered on this forum. No I don't have the proper answer, nor do I have influence to effect events, for good or ill. It's just my attempt at problem solving, and sometimes being bloody-minded is something that needs to be thought through, before choosing a better option. That is if we have options? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 2:06 am Subject: RE: Democracy From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]?> ] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Democracy Brent says true, in that terrorism is a method, not an end in itself. I wonder if people would agree to the terms, as a war against Islamist extremists, or radical Jihadis or? I think naming the enemies of freedom and peace in the middle east in nigeria with boko haram, and today in belgium (Hi Bruno) would be more acceptable, in that its limited targets, for a limited duration. Also, the mean of 'war' need not be violent, because you can't beat an idea with war alone. You’re a far more likable fellow, when you don’t do the gung ho go to war talk. P.S. What Boko Harem did in the towns of Baga and Doron Baga – during the same days as what went on in France FYI – is a first order war crime. They massacred 2,500 people (Muslim African people) and destroyed almost 4,000 buildings, literally razing those towns to the ground. They surely should be hunted down and arrested for their horrible war crimes, including the enslavement of all those school girls, but it should be a police action, not a war, and certainly not a crusade! Bastards like that don’t deserve the honor of being treated as enemies, they are criminal murderous thugs, and in a just world would be brought to face justice. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Democracy On 1/14/2015 11:52 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: In case no one has noticed, our dear president Obama has changed the rhetoric used as cover for our Orwellian systems state of permanent war…. The term “War on Terror” is bad enough, it implies an endless war requiring an Orwellian intrusive state. But at least it seemed circumscribed to opponents it could describe as being involved in terror. Obama is now calling it the “War on extremism”. That term sends Orwellian shivers down my spine; it is so broad and arbitrary in nature and can be used to describe any and all opponents. Sigh, everybody's so paranoid about government. Obama started using "extremism" because the chattering classes kept pointing out that terrorism is just a tactic and you can't make war on a tactic. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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