Hi John,

I just have a simple question then. Do you know you're conscious?

Cheers!
Telmo.

Brent, Telmo and all others 'consciousness' anchored members:
>
> It is an easy cop-out to say the "c" term is too complicated to be
> identified.
> If we want to use it we better knowWHAT we wnt to use. My definition is
> "response to relations" - another cop-out, because it is hard to identify
> RELATION (and of course: a 'response' to it). But it widens the scope from
> a 'human mental summersault' into a characteristic of the 'existence' (what
> is THAT?) applicable all over.
> OUR OWN "Consciousness" is a fine attribute as usually applied, not
> satisfactory for me. I tried to make it more extended/expanded - universal.
> E.g. an electrode is conscious of a nearby charge (and vice versa) and a
> mass-particle about another one feeling gravitation, if we identified all
> these terms. I did not.
>
> It also reverberates on the term 'conscious' of course. A.S.O.
> John M
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:27 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>>  If you completely discard the concept of "truth" and replace it
>>> entirely with "evolutionary usefulness" - does that change anything?
>>>
>>
>>  I think it might. For example, suppose we all share the same
>> consciousness. It is evolutionary useful to maintain the illusion that this
>> is not the case (thus my previous rant).
>>
>>
>> If you "start with consciousness" then it is fundamental that
>> consciousness if not shared - otherwise I'd be conscious of it.
>>
>> Brent
>>
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