Brent, Telmo and all others 'consciousness' anchored members:

It is an easy cop-out to say the "c" term is too complicated to be
identified.
If we want to use it we better knowWHAT we wnt to use. My definition is
"response to relations" - another cop-out, because it is hard to identify
RELATION (and of course: a 'response' to it). But it widens the scope from
a 'human mental summersault' into a characteristic of the 'existence' (what
is THAT?) applicable all over.
OUR OWN "Consciousness" is a fine attribute as usually applied, not
satisfactory for me. I tried to make it more extended/expanded - universal.
E.g. an electrode is conscious of a nearby charge (and vice versa) and a
mass-particle about another one feeling gravitation, if we identified all
these terms. I did not.

It also reverberates on the term 'conscious' of course. A.S.O.
John M

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:27 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>  If you completely discard the concept of "truth" and replace it entirely
>> with "evolutionary usefulness" - does that change anything?
>>
>
>  I think it might. For example, suppose we all share the same
> consciousness. It is evolutionary useful to maintain the illusion that this
> is not the case (thus my previous rant).
>
>
> If you "start with consciousness" then it is fundamental that
> consciousness if not shared - otherwise I'd be conscious of it.
>
> Brent
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