On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/22/2015 1:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Jan 2015, at 04:53, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/20/2015 5:54 PM, Rex Allen wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > Is there a better starting point than consciousness? > > My main thought was to suggest that the theory of evolution, taken to > it's logical conclusion, supports a Kantian division of reality into > phenomenal and noumenal realms. > > We are entities whose consciousnesses are shaped only with an eye > towards what promotes survival and reproduction. Consciousness isn't the > least concerned with truth - only with usefulness. > > Maybe this explains many of the conundrums that are pondered in this > group. > > If you completely discard the concept of "truth" and replace it entirely > with "evolutionary usefulness" - does that change anything? > > > That's essentially the thesis of William S. Cooper's book "The Origin of > Reason" - that our language, logic and mathematics were driven by > evolution. And he suggests how it may go further. Whether you agree with > him or not, it's a thought provoking book (and not a long one). > > > > Define "evolutionary usefulness" without using the notion of truth. I > doubt that this is possible. You need the truth of the existence of > organism, survival, etc. > > > That's because you identify true and real. > > You keep saying this over and over again, despite that both Bruno and I clarified that there is a distinction between true and real. Notably in Sanskrit there is only one word for "truth" and "what exists". Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
