On 1/22/2015 6:57 PM, Kim Jones wrote:



On 23 Jan 2015, at 10:24 am, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On 1/22/2015 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 21 Jan 2015, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

    If you completely discard the concept of "truth" and replace it entirely 
with
    "evolutionary usefulness" - does that change anything?


I think it might. For example, suppose we all share the same consciousness. It is evolutionary useful to maintain the illusion that this is not the case (thus my previous rant).

If you "start with consciousness" then it is fundamental that consciousness if not shared - otherwise I'd be conscious of it.

I guess you mean "is not shared".

But are you not conscious right now, we do share the experience of being conscious, even if we don't share the exact same relative contents.

But I'm not conscious of you being conscious.

Brent

You are. Here you kid yourself. Even without comp we can say you are deluding yourself here. You have "mirror neurons" which link your consciousness to that of another. You cannot experience the experience of another but you will come as close to experiencing it as you can without actually experiencing it - via mirror neurons.

If something like mirror neurons were not present in the human brain, nobody would bother with anyone else at all as humans would not be in any way interesting to one another and everyone would revert to their visceral mistrust of one another.

If you have ever watched a porno and found yourself getting aroused by what the people onscreen were doing - that's mirror neurons at work. We are all one person sharing one vast, utterly vast consciousness.

They link my neurons to others the same way they link my neurons to rocks - through perception. You do realize when watching a porno that it's an image on a screen. No neurons are involved, except yours.

Brent

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