I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, but I think it probably made sense in the context of the times, as a "first cut" at defining AI. But as Alberto says we shouldn't have deified it or reified it (or whatever).
On 1 February 2015 at 10:43, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: > The Turing test is one of these over- overrated things that modern people > worship. A child may not pass the test. And even an adolescent. and a > simple program such Eliza could pass it in some way. And it means > absolutely nothing. > > How modern people keep attached to myths fabricated and neglect that it is > obviously myths was something beyond my understanding until I realized > that men are ever the same everywhere. > > > 2015-01-31 10:23 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > >> >> On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:52, LizR wrote: >> >> Machines (Humanly Constructed Artifacts) Cannot Think >> <http://edge.org/response-detail/26060> >> <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >> Arnold Trehub <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >> >> >> >> Well, I have an answer to this one, at least. Humans are machines >> >> >> >> We don't know that. Of course it is a good default hypothesis as we don't >> have evidences for the contrary (except the wave collapse, but we don't >> have evidence for a wave collapse, actually). >> >> >> - are, in fact, humanly constructed artifacts - hence whether machines >> can think is the same as whether humans can think. >> >> >> Well, obviously, Turing addressed the question of human made machine ... >> by hand. he was a bit naive as he thought that it would take 50 years for a >> machine to pass the test (if I remember well). >> >> But the test is a bit ambiguous. And if it does not last long, I can >> argue that a non thinking machine could pass it too. In fact Turing's >> approach here is a way to avoid the "hard problem of consciousness" (which >> is just the antic mind-body problem). >> >> I am glad people learn more about Turing who was a great guy. Like >> Copeland and Turing's mother, I am far from sure he commit suicide. >> It would be nice if Emil Post, Kleene, Church and others were also >> celebrate. The movie "imitation game" does not seem to mention the main >> discovery of Turing: the universal machine/numbers alias the (universal) >> computer. I have not (yet) seen it. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone seen "The Imitation Game" by the way? >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
