Yes. It was a first cut. For a very realistic and humorous view of the social problems with machines I recommend the novels of stanislav Lem.
2015-01-31 23:24 GMT+01:00 LizR <[email protected]>: > I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, but I > think it probably made sense in the context of the times, as a "first cut" > at defining AI. But as Alberto says we shouldn't have deified it or reified > it (or whatever). > > On 1 February 2015 at 10:43, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The Turing test is one of these over- overrated things that modern people >> worship. A child may not pass the test. And even an adolescent. and a >> simple program such Eliza could pass it in some way. And it means >> absolutely nothing. >> >> How modern people keep attached to myths fabricated and neglect that it >> is obviously myths was something beyond my understanding until I realized >> that men are ever the same everywhere. >> >> >> 2015-01-31 10:23 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:52, LizR wrote: >>> >>> Machines (Humanly Constructed Artifacts) Cannot Think >>> <http://edge.org/response-detail/26060> >>> <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >>> Arnold Trehub <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I have an answer to this one, at least. Humans are machines >>> >>> >>> >>> We don't know that. Of course it is a good default hypothesis as we >>> don't have evidences for the contrary (except the wave collapse, but we >>> don't have evidence for a wave collapse, actually). >>> >>> >>> - are, in fact, humanly constructed artifacts - hence whether machines >>> can think is the same as whether humans can think. >>> >>> >>> Well, obviously, Turing addressed the question of human made machine ... >>> by hand. he was a bit naive as he thought that it would take 50 years for a >>> machine to pass the test (if I remember well). >>> >>> But the test is a bit ambiguous. And if it does not last long, I can >>> argue that a non thinking machine could pass it too. In fact Turing's >>> approach here is a way to avoid the "hard problem of consciousness" (which >>> is just the antic mind-body problem). >>> >>> I am glad people learn more about Turing who was a great guy. Like >>> Copeland and Turing's mother, I am far from sure he commit suicide. >>> It would be nice if Emil Post, Kleene, Church and others were also >>> celebrate. The movie "imitation game" does not seem to mention the main >>> discovery of Turing: the universal machine/numbers alias the (universal) >>> computer. I have not (yet) seen it. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone seen "The Imitation Game" by the way? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
