On 4 February 2015 at 05:11, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote:

> > As I understand it, being an epiphenomenon means one can give a causal
> > account of the phenomenon without mentioning it.  But the epiphenomenon
> > necessarily accompanies the phenomenon.  In the case of consciousness
> it's
> > essentially denying the possibility of a philosophical zombie.
>
> Yes, that's how I would put it.


Trouble is, that's saying both too much and not enough. If one can give a
causal account of a phenomenon without mentioning the epiphenomenon then it
would seem that the latter has significance only under extrinsic
interpretation (i.e. from the perspective of some interested agent). IOW,
it would seem merely to be a term of convenience, in the same sense that
the economy is a term of convenience for an extrinsic interpretation of the
net action of the constituent parts. Consequently to say that it
"necessarily accompanies the phenomenon" would appear be true in only a
quite trivial sense.

What you're saying amounts to the claim that something that apparently has
significance only under extrinsic interpretation is actually (and
necessarily) the agent of its own parallel but *intrinsic* interpretation.
Now the odd thing is that this kind of 'necessitation' can actually make
sense, as Bruno suggests, but only under specific a priori assumptions.
Under those assumptions, consciousness is indeed just such an 'intrinsic
interpretation' that transcends (or 'emerges from') a neutral third-person
ontological base in virtue of its analytical truth with respect to an
explicit epistemology. Hence it would necessarily be the case (on those
assumptions) that epistemology and ontology be inseparable. On this basis,
the notion of p-zombies would be frankly inconsistent.

David

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