On 04 Feb 2015, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/4/2015 11:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Feb 2015, at 20:13, Jason Resch wrote:
I agree with John. If consciousness had no third-person observable
effects, it would be an epiphenomenon. And then there is no way to
explain why we're even having this discussion about consciousness.
So we all agree on this.
?? Why aren't first person observable effects enough to discuss?
I am not sure I understand the question.
Consciousness and the first person effects have observable
consequences, although none can be used as a definite evidences of the
presence of consciousness and/or first person, which can always be
imitated for some finite time.
As I said, if you can see traces of nuclear technology in some (alien)
civilization, you can be pretty sure that there is some amount of
consciousness there.
But you can't be sure.
Maybe on that alien planet, atomic bombs were built through the
process of their Darwinian evolution, like todays termites build
complex air conditioning in their termitaries without any planning or
(conscious) intelligence at play (apparently).
Bruno
Brent
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