2015-02-04 21:03 GMT+01:00 meekerdb <[email protected]>: > On 2/4/2015 11:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2015-02-04 20:00 GMT+01:00 meekerdb <[email protected]>: > >> On 2/4/2015 1:09 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> So I agree completely that there are levels of consciousness, as there >> level of carness, but there is a level (whatever it is) which when you're >> below it, there is no more consciousness... like when it's 0 it's 0, it's >> no more positive, whatever word play you want to do. >> >> >> Notice though that you have to keep resorting to this qualification >> "whatever it is", which tells me that it's arbitrary and just a matter of >> words, that there's no principled dichotomy. It means you can make-up a >> definition for the line, but it's just a way of defining the word not a >> sharp operational distinction. >> >> > No it means there is a distinction... there is a line between 0 and > positive number, no positive number is 0... no consciousness == 0, > consciousness > 0... unless you argue there is no state of "not > consciousness" this holds true. > > > >> But in any case I think it's more important to recognize that there can >> be qualitatively different kinds of intelligence and hence there may be >> qualitatively different kinds of consciousness. >> > > We did acknowledge this several times now... that doesn't preclude "not > consciousness" state, it is not because there is a lot of consciousness > state, that pure "not consciousness" does not exists... unless you argue > everything is conscious, in that case ok, consciousness/non consciousness > would not be a binary dichotomy... but then a rock has a consciousness, > which seems rather absurd. > > > Of course I agree that some things are not conscious (including sometimes > myself). The original statement I objected to was Jason's claim that > consciouness is binary, i.e. it is 1 or 0, all-or-nothing. > > I don't think that's what he meant (neither Bruno)... what he meant is that you're either conscious (to whatever degree) or you're not... there is no degree of unconsciousness.
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