On 05 Feb 2015, at 01:16, meekerdb wrote:

On 2/4/2015 10:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
With computationalism, physics is not causally closed,

Even with computationalism it seems physics is causally closed except for the apparent randomness of QM. But if you believe in MWI that is closed too. The UD is not casually closed because it is always starting new threads of computation - with no cause.

No cause? It start new threads because it generate them all, and dovetail on them. The universal dovetailing is equiavlent with the proofs, and attempt of proofs, of the sigma_1 sentences.



a bit like arithmetic is not arithmetically closed either, the universal machine put a mess in Platonia which is beyond the possible control by the universal machines.

But all computation is closed. What does it matter that there are uncomputable parts of arithmetic? They don't affect the computations.

You forget the FPI on the arithmetical reality.

You are speculating on a god "Matter" who by its magical power, singularize you with that matter, and makes your infinitely many brothers living in arithmetic into zombies.

Bruno





Brent

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