John, consider it a working theory that awaits falsification, if it can be falsified. You have have great questions, for which there are no great answers. What I will claim, is that of all of science, over the last 350 years, computer electronics has made the greatest progress, and seems to be exponentiating, as opposed to biology, aerospace, energy, medicine-biology, and the like. It is the only technology that has not disappointed, plus, the observations of the universe by astronomers and physics make the universe appear more and more computationalist. It also could easily be something hybrid, a program with material output, material with computational output. It's enough to start bar/pub fights and tear out our hair. I look to Steinhart as the person, perhaps by accident, who best explains, what physicists have uncovered. Hogan, out at Fermilab, and Darmstadt, has a team looking to test to see if our universe is a hologram or not? If it doesn't work for you, or the idea repels, thats all good, there are worse things to have no use for. I don't see it as crap, but instead a profound truth and a way to look at physical phenomena.
-----Original Message----- From: John Mikes <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? Spudy, "a condition" of what??? and WHAT (great!) "program"??? what would you call 'electric' (not in 101 physix) with 'pulses(?) and 'gaps(?) in between? Mainly: what the hell should we call " R E A L " ??? Once you enter the agnostic domain (mind you: not SKEPTIC, which is - like atheism - based on a faith we don't (want to) believe) you are on your own. With numbers as well. All explanations are retrograde from 'real' conditions found in the faith the human mind carries for numbers to begin with. Including ZERO. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:45 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: Now we are back again, to are numbers real? Do we make them real by observing and forming patterns of our brains, or do they pre-exist as a condition of nature? Maybe the universe is not simply a simulation, but a great program? Yet, since we are part of this program we act as if its real because it is. To a subroutine, the world is electric pulses and the gaps between the pulses. 0's and 1,s all the way down Dr. Sagan. One of Steinhart's ideas is promotion. Promotion of a process or a span to the posited next level up, an upgrade reality.Promotion via a pipeline(s). -----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about the existence of God, but for a word to be meaningful there must be contrast, so your need to point out something, anything, that is NOT based on faith. And if you can't do that then "faith" is nothing but a noise made by the mouth. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
