On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:24 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I never said one word about matter being fundamental, in fact I think >>> if anything is fundamental it's consciousness not matter; however I did say >>> that a non-materialistic theory is not falsifiable and you said I was >>> confused. So cure my confusion by giving me a EXAMPLE (not a loquacious >>> definition that is so general it's useless) of a non-materialistic theory >>> that is falsifiable. >>> >> >> > Darwinism and general relativity are two examples amongst many of >> scientific theories that are falsifiable but do not assume materialism. >> > > What on earth are you talking about?! Darwin theorized that systems that > are made out of MATERIAL that have the capacity to duplicate themselves > sometimes don't do so perfectly and sometimes those changes enable the > MATERIAL system to reproduce faster in a given MATERIAL environment than if > the copying had been perfect. And General Relativity makes very very > precise predictions of how the trajectory of light and any other MATERIAL > thing will change when it passes near a large MATERIAL object. How are > these supposed to be non-materialistic theories? > Non-materialism is not the denial of matter, it just places it as an epiphenomenon. Darwinism is a computer science theory. It works on DNA but it also works on solutions to the travelling salesman problem. The problem of weather matter is epiphenomenal or a brute fact is incidental to how DNA encodes information, how phenotypes are expressed from it and so on. If we are living in the dream of a giant turtle, then general relativity is a valid theory about the rules inside this dream. The fundamental nature of the observations it predicts is irrelevant to the validity of the theory. This is, however, not true of the hypothesis that consciousness is an epiphenomena of matter. That is a materialist theory, and it's also peepee (not falsifiability, no explanatory power, no ability to predict anything). > > > > I think you already realised your mistake > > > Bullshit. > Bullshit. You yourself said that you suspect that consciousness is fundamental, and you yourself proclaimed to be a great admirer of evolutionary theory. So you must believe that Darwinism does not depend on mater being fundamental. > > > The fact that the presence of a term on Wikipedia gives us some >> assurance that it is a useful term does not imply that the absence of a >> term from Wikipedia is a signal that the term is useless. >> > > As a matter of fact it does. A language is useless if you're the only one > who knows it, and Bruno's terms are used nowhere except on this list. > The same is true of all technical acronyms. At some point they were only known inside a restrict group of people. How do you suppose language originates? You just happen to be opposed to the introduction of these terms, and you are within your right to be, but that is the extent of the significance of that position: you don't like something. > And there is no point in inventing new acronyms for very very old ideas, > for example FPI just means "I don't know"; as for UDA , well..., I still > haven't found any coherent consistent non-circular explanation of what > that's all about. > That is your opinion. If other people think there's a point, they will use them. Nothing too mysterious here. Telmo. > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
